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              <text>We were told that September 11 changed everything, but however much the rhetoric has changed, the Bush Administrations actions certainly havent. For example, from their first day in office, they have tried to mislead the American people. Remember how they told us of the case of the keyboards missing Ws and the vandalized and looted White House at the hands of the dastardly, retreating Clintons? Only later the GAO reported it hadnt happened.

After the terrorist attacks, we were told the President couldnt return to Washington, DC and had to keep flying about the country because there was "credible evidence" that Air Force One was a target. Only that wasnt true either. 

Before September 11, Vice President Cheney refused to release the names of the executives and lobbyists he met with while drawing up his energy plan. Now, even after law suits, court orders, and the collapse of Enron, he still refuses to let the American people know with whom the plan was conceived. All we know is that conservation may be a "personal virtue" but its not part of his or his pals vision. So nothing much has changed there either.

Oh, weve also had campaign finance reform banning "soft money." The President has since set a record raising the same.

Weve had record corporate bankruptcies in the past year, so its been a priority to make it harder for individuals to file for similar protection. 

If you were interested in protecting the environment, retirement savings, or Social Security your concerns were not those of the White House before September 11 or after. Your agenda hasnt been interrupted; it was never considered to begin with. Next time they suggest writing bigger checks. That will get their attention, after all some things never change.</text>
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              <text>Up until September 11, 2001 discrimination seemed to
have almost disagreed. One strong emotion that I felt
after this catastrophe was insecurity it was as if no
one could be trusted. After, September 11, 2001 people
that looked like if they were from the Middle Eastern
seemed to be easily  detected in public places. Even
though most people are taught not to judge a person by
their appearance now people from the Middle Eastern or
with decent are being ridiculed. This is very
inconsiderate of us because some of them are also
Americans and have also been hurt by this tragedy. A
reason that I know that their is a lot of
discrimination id because just a week ago at a local
grocery store I notice many people turned their eyes
to the door as two women entered the store with
Turbans on their head. This is unfair to these women
that they are being judged by their appearance rather
than who they are. September 11, 2001 brought
Americans closer together in the fight against
terrorism and everyone more patriotic than ever, but
together we have turned our back to those people that
look Middle Eastern.
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              <text>"Kosher Cajun food and the spirit of America"


Kosher Cajun food was served at a luncheon in Assembly Speaker
Sheldon Silver's Manhattan legislative office, a few blocks north of Ground Zero, as two unlikely groups came together to celebrate the donation of an ambulance to replace one lost on September 11th.

There was no media coverage, major or otherwise, as members of a
Southwest Louisiana Electric Co-op traveled up to New York City in early
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predominately Catholic bayou country came together with the Orthodox Jewish volunteers of Hatzalah Volunteer Ambulance Corps in the spirit of united Americans, with one group helping the other to continue to still help others.

Allen Thurgood, a lifelong New Yorker and leading figure in the
cooperative housing movement, played ""matchmaker"" in bringing the two groups together.  The founder and chief executive officer of 1st Rochdale Cooperative, an electric co-op based in Manhattan, Thurgood was overwhelmed, but not surprised by the generous efforts of the nation's electric cooperatives which contributed some $3 million to a wide range of recovery initiatives in New York City in the wake of 9/11.

It was an emotional side as Harold Jacobs, the president of Hatzalah,
wheeled up to Ground Zero in the new ambulance, with J.U. Gajan, the chief executive officer and general manager of SLEMCO, in the front seat by Jacobs' side.

For Jacobs, it was his first return to the site since September 11th,
while Gajan was there for the first time, but the two men shared a new hope for the future.
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              <text>People can say that September 11,  2001 was a wake up
call. In ways it was but in some ways it still isnt.
After the event, people started to feel a patriotic
feeling and it was soon all over the U.S. Now people
started to appreciate their way of life and realize
the evils of the world. They didnt realize that evil
has been going on forever only they were too
self-centered to care. Now that  September 11, came,
terrorism has become a face of American life such as
potential biological attacks and the anthrax attacks. 
Things have  already faded off a bit and maybe were
thinking about the war were at. When and if we an
salvage anything good from this, it could only be the
reality slap. For the  good, people can now appreciate
their way of life and everything we have for free.
Before then we took for granted everything we have. 
Unfortunately we maybe going back to our attitudes of
before  and assume nothing again. Nowadays everything
seems to be going back to normal. I know that I feel
normal now. September 11 is in the back  of my mind
but it not something i think about all the time. Its
more of a bad memory. Its not exactly life  changing
but it did open my eyes to things I never thought
about before.  But I wonder what people will do when
the first year anniversary comes around. Will people
be sad to the point where they cant work? Ill be sad
and Ill give my respects to the people who died but I
wont really be to the point of no work.
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              <text>When the rich wage war its the poor who die.

--Jean-Paul Sartre

 

I think that people want peace so much that one of these days government had better get out of their way and let them have it.

--Dwight Eisenhower

 

Having failed to capture Osama bin Laden as promised, President Bush has revived a tried-and-true boogeymanóSaddam Hussein, the mother of all despots. Yet, does it really matter who the bad guy is? Weve stockpiled a lot of bombs and missiles; weve declared war without end; weve got to attack somebody.

 

When Bush orders our troops into Iraq (according to some sources this has already begun on a limited scale), do you think that his children or any of the other Bush clan will be among the first wave of troops? Do you think that any of the presidential advisers who are cheering loudest for war will have a child whose life will be at risk? And what about the kids or grandkids of our senators and representatives in Congress? Many of these folks seem to be perfectly willing to send our offspring into battle. If their progeny were at risk, however, I suspect theyd be a bit more judicious.

 

If Bush and his cohorts are so anxious to get it on with Saddam, I have a more modest proposal than Middle East conflagration: tag team wrestling on international TV. In the red, white and blue tights we have Gorgeous George Bush and Karl King Kong Rove, and in the black tights, Osama Yo Mama bin Laden and Saddam Bruiser Hussein. Wrestle to the finish. The losers cry uncle and refrain from building or using weapons of mass destruction for the rest of their days. No innocent bystanders hurt, in fact nothing hurt but perhaps a little pride.

 

Recently I met a small group of committed women who are walking across the nation for peace. (To learn more, visit their website at www.walkforpeace.org) They departed from California on Martin Luther Kings birthday, January 21, 2002, and reached Asheville after seven months of walking on their way to Washington, D.C. One of the women spoke of breaking bread with folks of disparate political, economic and religious backgrounds in many towns and cities across our nation. During her remarks she revealed a common thread in the conversations shed had: Everyone really wants peace. In many respects were all the same; we want to love and be loved. Our beliefs just get in the way.

 

Not too many decades ago, some white politicians in the South retained power by practicing the politics of divide and conqueróplaying whites against the blacks. You may not have much, but at least your better than him, youve been born with white skin, they exclaimed. And of course, the hope was that the white folks would regard the black folks as scapegoats for whatever was not working in their lives, while the wealthy politicians, at the top of the heap, endeavored to maintain the status quo.

 

Now the strategy is a bit more complex what with our various ethnic backgrounds, our multitude of spiritual beliefs, our different social groups, our divergent political persuasions. But as long as those in power can keep us fighting among ourselves, we frequently dont take the opportunity to discern who is making out like a bandit (sometimes literally). And who is sending our kids off to a fight in which only the arms manufacturers, the energy corporations, other corporate powers and the politicians have a significant stake. Saddam is not moving our jobs overseas. Saddam is not diverting U.S. tax dollars from health and education toward the acquisition of more sophisticated weaponry. Saddam is not plundering American corporations for his own benefit.

 

If those of us who really oppose this war stand up, we can stop the madness advocated by Bush and Lieberman and Lott. We can keep our young men and women (and the people of Iraq) from harms way. We can resist. We can let our voices be heard. We can support those who refuse to serve. When the drums roll and the trumpets blare and the flags unfurl, war may seem a patriotic and noble venture. But how will we feel, I wonder, when our kids start coming home in body bags?

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              <text>The lesson that was explosively forced upon us on September 11 was one that was philosophically and theoretically known but not truly understood : that we are indeed One World, inescapably bound to one another, where inter-dependence has become more than just a theoretical concept. The condition of peoples on one side of the globe has profound influence on the other side. The prejudices, superstitions, and belief systems of distant peoples reverberate world-wide. The consequences of hatreds reach beyond state and regional borders. Three thousand Americans died because of the twisted misconceptions of a distant, uninformed ,and manipulated enemy.

Through a ghastly, cruel and tragic event, we learn that millions of people on the other side, see us as an evil enemy , to be destroyed even at the expense of their own martyrdom and death. They have been taught to hate us with an intensity we could not understand.....by deliberate increments, from a brainwashed childhood to the all-encompassing religio-fascism that spawned todays monstrous terrorism. The explosion  of hatred and suicide and destruction was almost beyond our comprehension.

The lesson? Beyond the immediate remedies to prevent a continuance of terror, only a new vision of mankind liberated from the shackles of inherited dogmas of hate, will provide the answers in the long run. Twenty-first century technology , which has made the world a global village, needs to be matched by a new twenty-first century ethic that infuses us all, to the marrow of our beings , with the sense that we are all responsible for each other, wherever we live. National, regional, religious boundaries have become anachronistic and must be overcome as we recognize and respect our common humanity. That is not only the challenge of the new century, but the ultimate challenge of man on earth!
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              <text>""Toward A More Perfect Union:  Lessons Learned--Or Not--Since September 11""

Before September 11, 2001, ""conservatives,"" ""Republicans,"" and ""libertarians"" said government was the enemy and that government programs to help people was the first step toward Stalinism.  Suddenly, after the horrific events of that day, many of these people called for federal government action and subordinating individual rights to ""national interests.""

As we approach September 11, 2002, we should discard sophomoric arguments over ""limited"" or ""expansive"" government. For as Founder James Madison admitted in Federalist Paper #37, the Founders chose broad words to reflect the compromises of the Founders themselves and that experience, not theory, is the best definer of our Constitution's meaning. 

For those who insist that the federal government must be strictly limited, consider:

Alexander Hamilton, in 1791, said: ""(T)he general administration of the affairs of a country...ought to be construed liberally in advancement of the public good"" and that legislatures ""must of necessity (exercise) great latitude of discretion...""  

James Madison, in Federalist Paper #10, wrote that the ""regulation"" of ""a landed interest, a manufacturing interest, a mercantile interest, a moneyed interest, with many lesser interests...forms the principal task of modern legislation..."" 

The Supreme Court, in McCulloch v. Maryland (1819), unanimously stated: The Constitution is ""intended to endure for ages to come...and to be adapted to the various crises of human affairs. To have prescribed the means by which government should, in all future time, execute its powers...would have been...unwise..."" 

Am I arguing for a vision that only reflects the views of Hubert Humphrey and Ralph Nader?  No--and that's the point. The Founders gave us the Constitution to debate the merits of public policy proposals, not place them outside the bounds of our discourse.  Whether it is Medicare for all Americans or federal airport security, we must debate policy merits, not ivory tower theories of government.
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              <text>a different type of missile

Why dont we blow-up the world?

We got enough bombs

Waiting underground, in the ocean

We wont live afterwards,

But today we can 

Blow-up the world.

I want to, I want to

Blow-up the world.

Blow it up! Blow it up

With words.

Hit each city,

Hit each town.

Blow em up! Blow em up

With words.

Why cant we 

Get rid of these bombs

These bombs that could

Blow-up the world?

Instead of bombs

Why cant we use words?

Blow-up the world, blow it up

With words.
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              <text>Toward a More Perfect Union 

	Approximately one year ago, on September 11, 2001,
our nation was tested by the evil acts of terrorists
hijackers; however, I ask myself,
What have we learned about our nation since the
tragic events of 9/11?.  After the September 11th
attacks, I have noticed that they have had a major
impact on most people nationally and internationally. 
The events of 9/11 affected everyone in the nation
because we can no longer be sure of how safe our
country really is even though it is the most powerful
nation in the world.  I still can t believe that the
terrorist hijackers hijacked four planes on the same
day.  To make matters worse, they used them on the
symbols of our nations economy and on the symbol of
our nations military power.  The 9/11 events affected
other countries as well, such as Afghanistan and
France.  If it were not for the terrorist attacks, the
U.S. wouldnt have attacked Afghanistan, and
Afghanistan wouldnt have been freed from Al Qaida
rule.  France, on the other hand, was affected because
ever since the 9/11 attacks, the tourism rate
decreased by about 8.6%.  Before the attacks tourism
was at approximately 11.6 million people, which means
that after 9/11, tourism decreased by approximately 1
million people.  Our nations largest companies have
received the biggest impact because they have either
collapsed (like Enron and World.com), gone corrupted,
or had to lay off many people to help its business. 
It is really disappointing that we cant trust our
nation s financial leaders because of the fear that
even they will collapse and with them would go our
money.  A year ago we watched these tragic events, and
we shall remember that we lived through the worst
events in American history.
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              <text>THE AFTERMATH AND THE NATION


The continued exploitation of  9/11's tragedy demeans the memory of those 
who died. One wonders if instead of happening in New York and Washington, 
D.C., the videotaped events had occurred off-camera to kill 3000 people in 
(say) Great Falls, Montana. Would the nation have reacted in the same 
obsessive way?
	Predictably politicians and advertisers make hay of 9/11 for political and 
financial gain, endlessly calling up the photographs, sounds, memories and 
attaching them to everything under the sun. Unaccountable anger was already 
gnawing at the American public's psyche fueled by vicious talk radio, 
mocking ""comedians,"" self-centered politicians before the disaster. So when 
the planes accomplished their evil mission, it gave an excuse to unleash 
and focus this anger, opening floodgates to set the nation on a Bash 
Everybody Who Gets In Our Way retaliation.
	Immediately after President Bush addressed the nation shortly after 9/11, 
this writer heard a reporter ask an administration spokesman how long the 
""war"" on terror would likely last. The response, ""Five years.""
	Now, invoking the memories of those who perished, the American public is 
called upon to give up important rights, supposedly the better to fight 
terrorists. But if the so-called ""war"" is open-ended, then the abrogation 
of those rights will continue for what?
Forever? Did the victims give their lives so America would be less free, 
made so not by terrorists but by our own fear-mongering ambitious national 
leaders, assisted by a national press involved in a ratings game?

F.D.R. had it partly right: one thing we have to fear is "fear itself." But we should also be afraid of what we're doing to ourselves and our nation.
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The totality of the thrust of all government and corporate actions since/before 9-11 are not designed to solve foreign or domestic issues but to fight them.  I believe that when you fight a problem, you are hiring people and spending money and your fame and fortune grows.  If the problem is solved, then you have to fire people; you receive less money; your power and influence diminishes.  This one fact alone is the reason fighting the issue takes on a life all its own and becomes self-perpetuating.  Therefore, it boils down to:  The greatest fortune and the most fame comes NOT from solving problems but from fighting one wee facet of the problem while spreading Hate, Havoc, Hypocrisy and Fear in the aftermath of unresolved issues. 

ALL governments are control freaks.  The appointed bureaucrats/officials are worse than the elected officials.  Adding non-accountability to those appointed/elected officials when they wrong the citizen and then not giving the people any recourse against those same officials, is leading this nation to disaster.

Case in point:  Homeland Defense.  Hitler combined the military, the police and the intelligence agency into a Fatherland Defense Force called the GESTAPO.  The parallels between these two organizations are more than scary. 

Summation:  The two most powerful and controlling emotions in society are fear and patriotism.  Combining these two emotions, we have the media blitz we have today.  Two powerful personal emotions are Agony and Despair -- AKA the Gatekeepers Of Hell.  When a person has nothing to lose, that person cannot be controlled; therefore, he must be killed or locked up.  Homeland Defense will make our constitution stink because it will be used as toilet paper by those in-charge.  There is no enemy more tenacious and dedicated to your destruction than the one you make in your own home
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Senate passed S1510--the USA Act--yesterday 96-1 vote.  Wisconsin Senator
Russ Feingold was the only dissenting voice...


_______________________________________________
policy@madpeace.org
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-policy

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DIRECTIONS: PLEASE COPY this email onto a new message, sign the bottom 
and forward it to everyone on your distribution list. If you receive this 
list with more than 300 names on it, please email a copy of it to: &gt; 
X 
Even if you decide not to sign, please be considerate and do not kill the 
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I have put the minutes from Sunday on the cc wiki page.  It would facilitate
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exhausted but energized (if that makes sense),
X
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Either way works for me on the first paragraph.

The other paragraph you quoted seems to have a redundancy:

"The Coordinating Committee is empowered to make emergency decisions for
MAPC." and "The Coordinating Committee has the right to make emergency
decisions when necessary."

X


----- Original Message -----
From: "X" &lt;X&gt;
To: &lt;coordination@madpeace.org&gt;
Cc: &lt;X&gt;; &lt;X&gt;
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 10:14 PM
Subject: RE: [MAPC-coord] cc mission for approval, gm agenda


&gt; X,
&gt;
&gt; Thanks for doing this. I would change the first paragraph to the following
&gt; for readability:
&gt;
&gt; The main decision-making body of MAPC is the General Meeting. (moved this
&gt; next sentence forward from end of paragraph; seemed to flow better) The
&gt; Coordinating Committee ensures that the decisions of the General Meetings
&gt; are implemented. The General Meeting sets the politics and the overall
&gt; direction of MAPC.  The Coordinating Committee takes its direction from
the
&gt; General Meeting, and is accountable to the (deleted general) membership.
All
&gt; decisions made by the Coordinating Committee are subject to discussion and
&gt; review by the General Meeting.
&gt;
&gt; - The Coordinating Committee is empowered to make emergency decisions for
&gt; MAPC.  An emergency decision consists of responding appropriately to
rapidly
&gt; changing current events, or of initiating the coordination of plans that
are
&gt; under time constraint. The Coordinating Committee has the right to make
&gt; emergency decisions when necessary.  Emergency decisions will be reported
&gt; back to the General Meeting
&gt;
&gt; I'll print, but would need to know tonight about content so that I can do
it
&gt; between work tomorrow &amp; the meeting. I'll be in a time crunch, especially
&gt; with getting Jesse to a friend's house before the meeting.
&gt;
&gt; X
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; -----Original Message-----
&gt; From: X
&gt; Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 8:38 PM
&gt; To: coordination@madpeace.org
&gt; Cc: X; X
&gt; Subject: [MAPC-coord] cc mission for approval, gm agenda
&gt;
&gt; Here is the CC mission, combining Rae's original plus what we
added/changed:
&gt;
&gt; - The main decision-making body of MAPC is the General Meeting.  The
General
&gt; Meeting sets the politics and the general direction of MAPC.  The
&gt; Coordinating Committee takes its direction from the General Meeting, and
is
&gt; accountable to the general membership.  All decisions made by the
&gt; Coordinating Committee are subject to discussion and review by the General
&gt; Meeting.  The Coordinating Commitee ensures that the decisions of the
&gt; General Meetings are implemented.
&gt;
&gt; - The Coordinating Committee is the central orgainizing body of MAPC.  It
&gt; ensures that the work of the committees is coordinated.  It evaluates
&gt; ongoing work to make sure that MAPC is not missing opportunities for
&gt; outreach, growth, and political impact.
&gt;
&gt; - The Coordinating Committee is responsible for facilitating development
of
&gt; overall strategy for the coalition, subject to General Meeting approval,
and
&gt; for providing recommendations to ensure that the work of the committees is
&gt; coordinated in a matter consistent with that strategy.
&gt;
&gt; - The Coordinating Committee is empowered to make emergency decisions for
&gt; MAPC.  An emergency decision consists of responding appropriately to
rapidly
&gt; changing current events, or of initiating the coordination of plans that
are
&gt; under time constraint. The Coordinating Committee has the right to make
&gt; emergency decisions when necessary.  Emergency decisions will be reported
&gt; back to the General Meeting.
&gt;
&gt; - The Coordinating Committee is responsible for establishing policy on and
&gt; making decisions regarding disbursement of funds by the coaltion.
&gt;
&gt; - The Coordinating Committee is responsible for orgainizing the General
&gt; Meetings.  It will develop agendas for General Meetings.  It assures that
&gt; General Meetings are organized so that critical discussions are held and
&gt; important decisions are made in a timely fashion.
&gt; =========================================
&gt;
&gt; THis was a little more difficult than it seemed, since not all sentences
&gt; flowed well with what was sandwiched in.  The first paragraph is funky
with
&gt; using "general meeting" and "general membership" but I think it's probably
&gt; ok. I did some minor editing to make everything fit together. We agreed to
&gt; give 24 hours for corrections and feedback. X and X will present.
&gt; X, will you be printing for distribution at the meeting?
&gt;
&gt; Here is the agenda:
&gt;
&gt; GM meeting agenda
&gt;
&gt; 1) Welcome
&gt; 2) committee reports
&gt; - action
&gt; - outreach
&gt; - Student Youth
&gt; - Arts
&gt; - media
&gt; - policy
&gt; - fundraising
&gt; - labor movement report
&gt; 3) Proposals (new business)
&gt; - CC mission proposal
&gt; - Action committee vigil proposal
&gt; - SYC logo proposal
&gt; 4) Announcements
&gt; 5) Optional - Video
&gt;
&gt; I'll get the meeting notes out as soon as I can clean them up, probably
&gt; tomorrow evening.
&gt;
&gt; X
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; _________________________________________________________________
&gt; Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; _______________________________________________
&gt; coordination@madpeace.org
&gt; http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-cc
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; _______________________________________________
&gt; coordination@madpeace.org
&gt; http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-cc
&gt;


_______________________________________________
coordination@madpeace.org
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-cc

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Policy Folks -

   I'm leaving multiple messages for X, in various media.  I am 
asking for a brief sit-down meeting with us before 11/14 (deadline to file 
resolution for debate on 11/20).

   I will talk to X tonight, and perhaps try for the same thing 
there, since the progressive caucus chose him Friday to be the contact for 
this issue with me.

   I will get back to you as soon as I have place and time.

--X

_________________________________________________________________
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I will add it to the agenda.
&gt;--- Original Message ---
&gt;From: "Sarah Coyle" &lt;sarah@arccommserv.com&gt;
&gt;To: &lt;coordination@madpeace.org&gt;, &lt;announce@madpeace.org&gt;
&gt;Date: 10/29/01 10:04:47 AM
&gt;
Hi,
&gt;
&gt;I totally forgot that the policy committee wants something on
the
&gt;"proposals" agenda:  we have a proposal that the city alders
vote for a
&gt;resolution that condems bombing (in different language than
that) in
&gt;Afganistan.  The resolution will be posted on "discuss" for
all to read &amp;
&gt;give feedback, to make changes before Tuesday.  X
has been
&gt;heading it up.  Could we put it on the agenda for Tuesday? 
Thanks.
&gt;
&gt;Sarah
&gt;
&gt;

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I remember is well.  The time was Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 01:21:57PM -0600, and
X whispered:

&gt;
&gt; What do you think?  It's later than we had hoped to have it introduced,
but
&gt; it sounds like we'll have a better chance of passing the resolution then
&gt; (given council dynamics), and we'll also have more time to mobilize the
&gt; community in support of the resolution.  It's true that this puts the
&gt; resolution passing just after the timeline humanitarian groups have put on
&gt; needing to start land convoys of aid, but I'm thinking that this is OK for
&gt; two reasons:  First, it's not like the U.S. federal gov't will immediately
&gt; stop bombing because of a Madison city council resolution - this is one
&gt; effort in a much bigger movement that will contribute to opening up
dialogue
&gt; on the issue.  Second - this is tragic and I hope it doesn't come across
as
&gt; insensitive - if there are increased reports of Afghani civilians starving
&gt; just before the council vote, it will make it really hard for alders not
to
&gt; support the resolution (and we should submit copies of any articles like
&gt; this to the alders just before the Dec 4 vote).
&gt;

Actually, I'm getting pretty concerned that recent events in Afghanistan are
working against the strategy of our resolution.  Humanitarian aid is going
(I
predict) to turn from the big weakness of the administration's position to a
propaganda coup.

I predict a *massive* effort will be undertaken (not least because Bush's
indifference to the humanitarian situation was starting to bother even
British
hawks). Now that the NA controls most of Afghanistan, this will be at least
mostly feasible.

Which is a great thing, because I was really starting to despair over the
lives
that seemed doomed to be lost. I can't come to the meeting tonight, but I
think
it is important to consider how to adapt our policy to counter the
possibility.
If we could have gotten this passed sooner, we could have indeed gained an
important rhetorical advantage, but I don't think Dec. 4 will do us much
good.

It's not that there still won't be a humanitarian disaster in Afghanistan.
But
Bush now has the opportunity to appear to be making "all possible effort" to
fix
the situation (which I actually hope he does).  Since most of the dying will
be
happening in the Taliban-controlled south (assuming they stop running near
Khandahar), you can bet they'll be blamed for the starvation.

The Bush team may have dodged the bullet on this.  If they don't, of course,
we
must howl bloody murder and put all our weight behind it--or we will be
talking
about genocide next spring.  I'd really prefer not to.  Let's hope they do
the
(only) moral thing, and think of other ways to make our points.

I'd suggest alternative lines of argument would include urging the
administration
not to consider expanding the scope of the war to include other countries,
such
as Iraq.  We can also stress the need for immediate negotiations over a
peace
deal between Israel and the Palestinians.  Other ideas?

Or am I off base?  I'm just concerned that if this resolution, as written,
is
voted on Dec. 4, it may be in the middle of a *super* publicized
humanitarian
effort, and thus appear almost discredited.  Maybe the administration will
blow this crucial moment and fail to support a massive aid push.  I don't
think
even Bush is that stupid, however.

My .02$, for what they're worth.

X

_______________________________________________
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http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-policy

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Hi all!

Just a heads up that the MAPC logo will be on the agenda for Tuesday night's
general membership meeting, and a few comments (okay, I lied - lots of
comments) since I may not be able to attend the whole meeting.

While (AFAIK) we've never voted on this, the peace sign wrapped around the
globe has become the de facto MAPC logo.  (IIRC the general membership
referred the logo question back to the Arts &amp; Culture WG, and they couldn't
come up with anything better.)

The Student/Youth Caucus has objected to this logo, and designed a new one,
which will be presented on Tuesday.  (As I understand it, the problem is
that the peace sign is tied to a particular historic era, and carries
baggage which is too hippie-ish -- as opposed to activist.  There is also
concern that the grey-scale of the logo does not reduce or reproduce well.)
Their proposed logo has a half-globe, without peace sign, with paler images
of the globe radiating out from it.  (Lousy description, I know.)

I sympathize with the S/YC's objections, but I like their proposed graphic
even less than the one we've been using.  To me, it's not particularly
distinctive, and a globe alone just doesn't say "peace" to me.  It could
just as easily be the logo graphic for a global telecommunications
corporation.

Then again, I'm not sure that any graphic we pick to represent
"peace/anti-war" will be acceptable to and truly representative of the whole
Coalition.  The Vietnam-era peace sign is, well, Vietnam era, and doesn't
represent the new generation of activists.  The dove has a longer history,
but strikes me as a bit too "Pacifist" in image, as does the rifle with a
flower in its barrel, broken rifle, broken bomb, and a few others.  The
other predominant image from the Vietnam era, the clenched fist, of course,
has the opposite connotation.  We've already been through the discussion of
incorporating the symbolism of the American flag; some of us think "peace is
patriotic" and others of us think U.S. nationalism is part of the problem.
And while the globe could well be something that none of us object to, it
really doesn't symbolize anything that distinguishes us from the other side.

"Madison area" is tough to symbolize graphically.  The most identifiable
symbols are architectural (the State Capitol), and we have nothing to do
with state government.  Doing something with the outline of the state and
highlighting the Madison area really doesn't work graphically.  And I doubt
that anyone would recognize that a satellite view of the Four Lakes was
anything other than a Rorschach inkblot test.

We could try to have a symbol for everyone, incorporating lots of different
images in the logo, but the result would likely be an unwieldy mess.

My personal opinion at this point is that we should either (1)come up with a
graphic that is brand new -- no baggage from past movements or ideologies --
(and I have no earthly idea what this would be); or (2) just go with a
"words-only" logo, using a very distinctive typestyle and arrangement of the
words in our organization name.  If the typestyle and arrangement are
distinctive enough, IMO the logo will be recognizeable and identifiable, and
would avoid the symbolism &amp; baggage problems inherent in selecting any
graphic image for a diverse coalition.

X



_______________________________________________
discuss@madpeace.org mailing list
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-discuss

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Hello members and friends of U.S. Out Now.

The next U.S. Out Now meeting is:

Thursday, October 25th
6:00 PM
Kabul's restaurant
541 State St.

The purpose of this meeting is to:

- Get together and enjoy each other's company

- Celebrate our hard work with the "Life Under Siege" Tent encampment and
the Madison Area Peace Coalition.

- Meet X, from the Chicago-based, Voices in the Wilderness (VitW).
VitW is a leading peace organization in the U.S. that organizes to stop the
bombs and sanctions on Iraq.

X went to Iraq this past August with a VitW delegation. He will join us
for dinner on Thursday night, October 25th and speak at the MATC
International Peacekeeping and Peacemaking conference on Friday, October
26th, 3:00-4:30 PM. For more information about the conference, see
http://www.wisconsin-institute.org.

Hope to see you at Kabul's on the 25th!

X
X
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