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Just to clarify--apparently my message was perceived by some as being an
attack on an individual--which it most certainly was not intended to be.

I hoped by beginning with the phrase, "the CC may not be aware of this," to
indicate that i was assuming there was a communication issue of some kind.
I'm not casting blame on any individual--it's just growing pains of the
group. Any frustration in my msg is directed at logistical problems in
general, not toward any individual. We're all doing our best and these
issues will be sorted out with time.

Also for future reference, when I do argue against an individual's opinion
or ideas, it probably isn't personal.

I think the main issues that came out of this are
(1) Who calls an action--the CC or AC?
(2) We need a clearer def'n of an emergency
(3) We need phone communication within the AC

in solidarity
x


On Sun, 21 Oct 2001 16:48:36 -0700 (PDT), x wrote:

&gt;  On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 07:53:59 -0500, action@madpeace.org wrote:
&gt;  &gt;  I propose we just have a picket line. The following things need to &gt;
be
&gt;  done:
&gt;
&gt;  I missed this whole conversation but I have a comment anyway.
&gt;
&gt;  With all due respect, the folks on the co-ordinating committee may not be
&gt;  aware of this, but I would like to note that the action committee has a
plan
&gt;  for emergency actions, including each of us having specific jobs assigned
&gt;  for every detail.
&gt;
&gt;  If someone unilaterally comes up with a whole new plan at the last
moment,
&gt;  that means starting over from scratch to (1) discuss the plan and (2)
assign
&gt;  people to implement it--all within a few hours. In my opinion: huge waste
of
&gt;  time.
&gt;
&gt;  If we are to have emergency actions (which I understand is an if) we need
to
&gt;  stick to the plan--or make a new one *in advance*--so that the only thing
&gt;  left to do when the action is called, is implement it. I am not attached
to
&gt;  the existing plan, but whatever the plan is we shouldn't try to alter it
at
&gt;  the last second.
&gt;
&gt;  Discussion? Disagreement? Pies in the face? My intent is not to offend
but
&gt;  to be efficient and avoid saddling any individual with an overwhelming
&gt;  burden of organizing everything.
&gt;
&gt;  Regarding the very concept of emergency actions, I think the AC was
thinking
&gt;  about events that would be so overwhelmingly dramatic/traumatic that
there
&gt;  would be an overwhelming desire to get out there and do something. I
&gt;  definitely don't think anyone was imagining that there should be
emergency
&gt;  actions at every turn. Probably we should remove "invasion" from the list
of
&gt;  actions and stick to (1) extension of bombing to a new country, (2)
murder
&gt;  or arson in our community or (3) another massive violent attack on US
soil
&gt;  with instant mass casualties. I'm also open to dropping the whole
concept.
&gt;  Whatever you all think.
&gt;
&gt;  X
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----------
From: x
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 08:19:30 -0400
To: x
Subject: Re: re

That's why I agree (for the first time ever, I believe) with Mayor Giuliani. We MUST get back to normal as soon as possible. We need to show those animals that we are incredibly resilient and nothing will keep us down. Yes, it's beyond horrific but if we wail and wail for weeks then that's what they want. They believe they have hit targets that have completely destroyed our way of live but they have no idea how amazingly strong we are. Yes, for many people they have lost family members who worked in the World Trade Center and surrounding area, uniformed emergency service jobs, and near the Pentagon...in addition to the passengers on the planes. The amount of fire fighters and cops lost is beyond belief! But.... We need to show them that we can bounce back immediately, dig out, mourn for our losses but stand up straight and move on with our lives. I think this is so important! 
doug


From: x
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:13:36 EDT
To: x
Subject: re



Oh x, 
I hope you hear from x soon. 
I was below Canal Street for my class right after the collapse. Ofcourse it 
was cancelled but I was already on my way there. It was awful. All the people 
in droves on the street just walking around with this lost look and a lot of 
people had no shoes and were covered in soot. This one man told me he just 
got out of the building but had seen bodies falling past his office window 
before he escaped. 
My heart and prayers are with all those families who have friends and loved 
ones in the building. I used to work at the Citibank in WTC and am thinking 
about those I worked with there, but I am sure they must be safe because it 
was the ground floor and they had a great chance to get out. 
I'm concerned for x's family though. Many of her cousins are firefighters 
and cops. I called her last night but have not heard back to make sure her 
family was ok. 
What a horrendous tragedy, I'm scared about what will be next. They have 
closed off our area below 14th Street. Yesterday I went to St. Vincent's to 
volunteer and will try to return today. 
To walk out on 7th Avenue and see nothing downtown brings such an immediate 
sense of loss, and I don't think the true impact of this has even set in yet 
for us all. 
I hope you hear from x soon and that all those in your life are safe. 
x 

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X and the rest of the Policy WG/C&lt;

Thanks for all the hard work you've been putting into this.  For others out
in
discuss-land, Xand I have been in close contact throughout this
process.

I'm in progress of contacting tthe three most progresive alders on tthis
issue
and hopefully will connect with some yet tonight--Wednesday, noon is the
deadline to get the resolution to the clerk's office by one of tthe alders.
( I
know them since I spent the last 6 years on the Council.)

I absolutely believe that this can't and shouldn't be put off or abandoned.
It
will give both the supportive alders and people from the community to come
out
in full force to, hopefully, jam the halls of the Council meeting room --
you
should all pencil it in on your calendars for 11/20; meeting begins at
6:30pm,
but when this issue will come up depends on where it's located on the
agenda.

It will get people speaking up about the issues, both community and our
representatives and I do think the Council will look really bad if they
don't
pass something comparable to our resolution (I'm sure the "weaker" one would
be
the "winner" of the two, and even that may be watered down, but if we don't
bring this up now  --that humanitarian aid should be allowed to be dropped
safely and have the bombing stop -- than when???????

Both the Council alders and the community will survive this, no matter what
the
final decision is that the Council makes that night.  We shall not be hurt
by
this, even if it were to take the worst case scenario and have nothing pass.
The Council will simply be seen for what it is on this, and those who
support it
will have that to be proud of and we will be proud of them.  If we gain
support
by the majority, it will be glorius!

I certainly don't think it will create any animosity that doesn't already
exist
on that body, so that shouldn't be a problem.

I'll let X and the Policy WG/C know what I can further find out from
certain alders and I'm sure that Policy will get back to all of us.  But,
definitely, as some MAPC'ers pointed out at our last GM, we have in the past
and
should once again this, come out in great numbers and strength Nov. 20
supporting the resolution and those alders who support it!

X

X wrote:

&gt; Hi Everyone,
&gt;    The Policy Committee continues to push to get a peace resolution
debated
&gt; in the Common Council, but will not have concrete progress to report
&gt; tomorrow night.
&gt;    We have been very actively contacting the progressive alders, but now
we
&gt; need to step back for a day or two (again) to give them a chance to
respond.
&gt;    A common reaction from the alders is that it is problematic to
introduce
&gt; a resolution that gets only a few votes.  This could send the message that
&gt; the city isn't for peace, or jepardize future resolutions on the same
issue.
&gt;   So our proposed resolution may end up
&gt; being debated after Thanksgiving if at all--we'll know soon.
&gt;    It's interesting.  One school of thought seems to be that even
&gt; introduction of a resolution is positive since it generates debate.
Another
&gt; school is that some collegiality among progressive alders must be
preserved,
&gt; divisiveness must be avoided, and you don't want to waste political
capital
&gt; on something that has no chance of passing.
&gt;    What do you think?
&gt;    Should we do a County resolution, too?
&gt;
&gt; Regards,
&gt; X, Policy Committee
&gt; XXX-XXXX(day)
&gt; XXX-XXXX (evening)
&gt;
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I forgot that one too when compiling the cc agenda.  I agree with this
proposal being added to the agenda.

X


&gt;From: "X" &lt;X&gt;
&gt;Reply-To: X
&gt;To: &lt;X&gt;, &lt;X&gt;
&gt;Subject: [MAPC-coord] city policy resolution
&gt;Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:04:47 -0600
&gt;
&gt;Hi,
&gt;
&gt;I totally forgot that the policy committee wants something on the
&gt;"proposals" agenda:  we have a proposal that the city alders vote for a
&gt;resolution that condems bombing (in different language than that) in
&gt;Afganistan.  The resolution will be posted on "discuss" for all to read &amp;
&gt;give feedback, to make changes before Tuesday.  X has been
&gt;heading it up.  Could we put it on the agenda for Tuesday?  Thanks.
&gt;
&gt;X
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x,

Would it be appropriate for Outreach to follow up on leads like this?  It
sounds like they may desire a little personal encouragement and additional
information about joining.

x



&gt;From: "x" &lt;x&gt;
&gt;To: &lt;x&gt;, &lt;x&gt;,
&gt;&lt;x&gt;
&gt;Subject: RE: About MAPC
&gt;Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:46:17 -0500
&gt;
&gt;As far as I am aware, the Libertarians can join the coalition just like
&gt;anybody else.
&gt;
&gt;x
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;-----Original Message-----
&gt;From: x [mailto:x]
&gt;Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 6:20 AM
&gt;To: x; x;
&gt;x
&gt;Subject: About MAPC
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;To everyone,
&gt;
&gt;      I did not know who to send this e-mail to hence I picked three people
&gt;at
&gt;MAPC.
&gt;      I thought you might want to know that the Libertarian Party of Dane
&gt;County is also against the war.  Although most of their political views do
&gt;not match those of the member organisations of MAPC,  it might be possible
&gt;to
&gt;include them,  if they are interested.  The more the merrier?
&gt;      The head of the Libertarian Party of Dane County is x and
&gt;his phone number is x.  x is a friend of mine and he may be
&gt;interested in joining MAPC.
&gt;      Also,  checkout a good Libertarian web site about the war:   &lt;A
&gt;HREF="http://antiwar.com/"&gt;Antiwar.com&lt;/A&gt; .
&gt;
&gt;      Sincerely,
&gt;        x
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Hello CC,

The more I think about this, the more I think having the MAPC meeting at
WilMar is not a good idea. Students had been feeling left out of MAPC (or
not taken seriously) for some time. I think this has begun to change for the
better. Having a meeting so far from campus could set us back.

I remember when I was a student. Taking a bus out to the East side was a big
deal and seemed very inconvenient. I think we would do well to have this
meeting off campus, but not too far away so that we can continue to involve
students.

I talked to X about this and she was fine with looking for additional
locations, if someone else was willing to do it. She is busy with work
tomorrow. I asked a friend (who is retired and available tomorrow) to call
around for some other options. It can't hurt to try.

Peace,
X


 ----- Original Message -----
From: "X" &lt;X&gt;
To: &lt;X&gt;
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 4:17 PM
Subject: RE: [MAPC-coord] GM location update


&gt; CC,
&gt; The Wilmar center has been booked for Oct. 30 at 6:30.  As it turns out,
the
&gt; fee is "donation only" b/c MAPC is/could be a non-profit.  We have the
&gt; upstairs room and the Monona room for childcare.  I will take care of the
&gt; key.
&gt;
&gt; Re:  other places for next meetings, I'll ask if I can hand this part over
&gt; to X
&gt;
&gt; I'm not sure what to say about arranging rides there for students.  I
&gt; unfortunately don't have the time to do that.
&gt;
&gt; Is anyone willing to consider changing CC mtgs to later in the day/eve,
and
&gt; trying other places, such as the near east side?
&gt;
&gt; X, I'd be glad to take the petitions.  You can give them my contact
info:
&gt; X
&gt;
&gt; Peace, X
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; -----Original Message-----
&gt; From: X
&gt; [mailto:X]On Behalf Of
&gt; X
&gt; Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 2:36 PM
&gt; To: X
&gt; Subject: Re: [MAPC-coord] GM location update
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; X,
&gt;
&gt; Thanks for the update. It looks like WilMar is the only available option
for
&gt; the 30th. My concern with that location is that it's quite far from campus
&gt; compared to some of the other options, which aren't available. Can we
think
&gt; of any other places? Any other ideas? If we book WilMar, we may want to
&gt; consider organizing transportation for students. I'd hate to lose or
&gt; diminish our student involvement as a result of meeting location. One
&gt; thought--we could advertise free rides on our poster (e.g., for free
rides,
&gt; call xx).
&gt;
&gt; X, the La Crosse peace group sent me an email today about the anti-war
&gt; petitioning that they're doing. They want to know where to send their
&gt; petitions. Could I tell them to send the petitions to you? Even if we
don't
&gt; have a petition campaign yet, it seems that petitioning would fall under
the
&gt; auspices of the Policy committee. I don't want to leave them hanging
because
&gt; they are a small, but dedicated group and really want to work with us. I
&gt; would think we could funnel these petitions and any others that are
&gt; collected in the future to the appropriate governmental officials. What do
&gt; you think?
&gt;
&gt; Peace,
&gt; X
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; ----- Original Message -----
&gt; From: "X" &lt;X&gt;
&gt; To: &lt;X&gt;
&gt; Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 1:17 PM
&gt; Subject: RE: [MAPC-coord] GM location update
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Hi folks - Here's the update on the GM 10/30.  All places have a
separate
&gt; &gt; room for childcare.  All are accessible by bus, as far as I can tell.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Wilmar 257-4576:  $30 per hour for two rooms.  Available all evening.
&gt; &gt; Holds plenty of people. $25 key deposit.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Atwood neighborhood ctr, 241-1574: $1 per person suggested.  Holds 99
&gt; &gt; people.  Avail. Tues after 7:30, Mondays after 7, Weds after 8:30. $25
key
&gt; &gt; deposit.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Neighborhood House, Mills/Park, 255-5337:  Upstairs room only holds 70 -
&gt; 80
&gt; &gt; people.  Gym is taken til 2002.  Said we should come see it.  Free.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Friends Mtg House, off Monroe St, 256-2249:  Left message.  Said
&gt; "downstairs
&gt; &gt; might work".  Need more info.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Luke House, 310 S. Ingersoll, 256-6325:  Dinner in space til 7:30.
Holds
&gt; 72
&gt; &gt; people at tables.  Parking limited (no lot).  They want a pamphlet to
find
&gt; &gt; out more about us.  Told us to visit.  Ask for X.  Free.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; It appears Wilmar is the only place available before 7:30, and one of
the
&gt; &gt; few with enough space for the 100 - 140 people I've counted at the last
&gt; &gt; meetings.  While it will probably cost $90 or so, I would suggest this
&gt; space
&gt; &gt; for Oct. 30 and we can find a different, free space in the future if
&gt; people
&gt; &gt; agree to meet later in the evening AND less people start showing up.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Shall I book Wilmar, or do people have other ideas?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Peace, X
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X wrote:

&gt;    People are saying this is not Vietnam, and they're getting away with
it.

AFGHANISTAN IS VIETNAM....
and Yugoslavia, Colombia, and Somalia,
all rolled into one


By X


As the U.S. war begins in Afghanistan, the budding
antiwar movement claims that "Afghanistan is Vietnam,"
meaning that "America's new war" could
become bogged down in a quagmire
or even end in defeat.
But Afghanistan is not simply like Vietnam.

I have followed Afghan politics with morbid
fascination since the civil wars and Soviet
invasion of the late 1970s.  The recent history
of Afghanistan demonstrates that a new
war in that country would not simply be like
the U.S. war in Vietnam. The war would instead be
like Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Colombia, and Somalia
all rolled into one.  Afghanistan offers a
package deal of multiple disasters, loaded
with extra bonus features.

Afghanistan is Vietnam.  There is some
historical truth to this claim.  Like the Afghanis
who defeated British and Russian invaders,
the Vietnamese defeated the Chinese and
French before us. The U.S. took on a
people whose main motivation was not ideology,
but a fierce sense of independence from
foreign rule.  Vietnamese guerrillas had
widespread support in the countryside,
partly because U.S. forces distinguished little
between combatants and civilians, and were
backing an unpopular and corrupt
South Vietnamese dictatorship. It will be
similarly difficult to tell who is who
in Afghanistan, and impossible to
find any force representing "freedom."

But Afghanistan is not simply like
Vietnam.  After the Communist rebels and
their North Vietnamese sponsors won the
war in 1975, Vietnam became a unified
state with a stable central government
and a single core ethnic identity.  Afghanistan,
on the other hand, has never had a strong central
government, and is split into ethnic enclaves.

Afghanistan is Yugoslavia.  Like
Yugoslavia before it violently split into ethnic
ministates, Afghanistan is a multiethnic
country with no single dominant group.
Its civil wars have further divided the
country into strong enclaves of ethnic groups,
most of which straddle the borders of neighboring
countries.  In the north, Tajiks,
Uzbeks and Turkmens have strong ties to
adjacent ex-Soviet republics. The territory
controlled by the anti-Taliban Northern Alliance
corresponds almost exactly to the Tajik
region. The Pashtuns, who form the bulk of the
Taliban, spill over into Pakistan.  The Baluchis
in the south have brethren in both Pakistan
and Iran, and the Hazaras in the central region
have Shi'ite religious ties to Iran.  A new
conflagration in Afghanistan could result in
a partition that enlarges adjacent states or
splinters the country into new and even
more unstable ethnic ministates.

But Afghanistan is not simply like
Yugoslavia.  Serbian and Croatian
voters eventually ousted their ultranationalist
leaders.  Their new countries have industrial
economies, unlike impoverished Afghanistan
which has long been forced to rely on an
underground, illegal drug economy.

Afghanistan is Colombia.  Just as all
sides in the Colombian civil war have
profited from the cocaine trade,
all Afghan factions together form
one of the global centers of the opium
trade.  The U.S.-backed mujahadin
rebels defeated the Soviets  partly by
purchasing weapons with drug profits.
Their successors in the Northern Alliance
have continued the practice despite
international pressure.  The Taliban
also engage in drug trafficking, despite
a generous U.S. grant of $43 million
to aid us in the "drug war."  The
outlaw tradition in Afghanistan
is ideally suited for the drug warlord
culture.

But Afghanistan is not simply Colombia.
Though Colombia is divided into
government and rebel zones that
intersect with narcotic fiefdoms,
it at least has national institutions and
national political parties. Afghanistan
has little national identity apart from
its resistance to outsiders, and no
cohesion within its political factions.

Afghanistan is Somalia.  From
the outset of Washington's
so-called "humanitarian intervention"
in Somalia, U.S. forces divided
the East African country into "good
guys" and "bad guys."  Instead
of working with clan elders to
end clan warfare, it sided
with one local warlord against
another local warlord,  It is
repeating the same basic error in
Afghanistan, by backing the
Northern Alliance and alienating
the Pashtuns and their Pakistani
allies.

Not only has Afghanistan
been divided into political, ethnic
and clan factions, but each faction
is itself divided.  The royalists were
divided into factions that led to
the 1973 ousting of King Zahir Shah.
The pro-Soviet Communists were
divided into Khalq (Masses) and Parcham
(Flag) factions that killed each other.
The mujahadin who ruled
Kabul in 1992-96 also battled
each other, opening the way for the
Taliban takeover.  New schisms
are becoming evident within both
the Northern Alliance and
the Taliban.

U.S. forces may well
topple the unpopular Taliban
and install a paper government
in Kabul, probably under
the exiled King. But
then their problems will only
be beginning.  The King is
86 years old, with no clear
successor.  Each of the political
and ethnic factions will grab
for power in a new
government, and will deeply resent
the U.S. if they do not get it.
In the same way that U.S.
support for the mujahadin
planted the seeds of Osama
Bin Laden,  U.S. support
of a new Afghan resistance
only guarantees continued
instability for the region.

The U.S. firepower directed against
Afghanistan has already targeted civilian
infrastructure such as power plants;
are they also directed against water
treatment plants in drought-stricken
Afghanistan, like in Iraq?
According to BBC reports, B-52s
are "carpetbombing" the areas around
the "terrorist camps," perhaps
including the mountain caves to which many
internal refugees have fled.  About halfway
through the Yugoslav War, the
Pentagon complained that it had used
up all its initial Serbian targets; it
is a fair bet that after one day of
bombing Afghanistan that it
has already used up all possible
Taliban targets.

It is one thing to isolate the Taliban
from outside support,
backed by an international tribunal
on crimes against humanity.
It is another thing entirely to be lured
into what British journalist Robert
Fisk has called the "trap" of
massive retaliation.  When Osama
Bin Laden launched his vicious attack on
the U.S., he was not simply making a
political statement, but was sending an
engraved invitation to war in
Afghanistan, a nation already littered
with 10 million landmines from
past wars. (Otherwise why not just
attack the Pentagon?  Otherwise
why assassinate the Northern
Alliance leader?)

Such a long,
open-ended war would serve
Bin Laden's agenda of polarizing the region,
and plunging it into new Islamic revolts.
By sending an RSVP of B-52s
and loose talk about a new "crusade,"
President Bush is playing right along
with Bin Laden's script.  Neither side
really wants to win this war quickly,
but wants to let a long conflict serve
its own purposes.  The worst thing
for Bin Laden would be for the
U.S. to exercise restraint.
The worst thing for Bush would be
a quick capture of Bin Laden.  Like
Saddam, Osama is worth more
to the U.S. alive than dead, as a
justification for crackdowns abroad
and at home.


X

X

Also see:
List of U.S. military interventions since 1890
http://www.zmag.org/CrisesCurEvts/interventions.htm
A briefing on the history of U.S. interventions
http://www.zmag.org/grossmanciv.htm
Afghanistan is not simply like Vietnam
http://www.badgerherald.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2001/09/30/3bb7cc953e5bd
WORT interview with Robert Fisk
http://madison.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=1127&amp;group=webcast
WORT interview with Ahmed Rashid
http://madison.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=1272&amp;group=webcast








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I would support this.  In fact, I wonder if we could put this
on in conjunction with some other resources who could discuss
Iraq issues and perhaps Afghan women's issues... maybe take the
opportunity to discuss "the Broadening War."  A 45 minute opportunity
is good, and maybe an afternoon or evening with a somewhat broader
program would be even better!

The following from The Observer's 9/30 article on "infinite War"
bears thinking about:
"The plans put before the President during the past few days
involve expanding the war beyond Afghanistan to include similar
incursions by special ops forces - followed by air strikes by
the bombers they would guide - into Iraq, Syria and the Beqaa
Valley area of Lebanon, where the Syrian-backed Hizbollah (Party
of God) fighters that harass Israel are based.

In Iraq, any site suspected of being a chemical weapons facility
or proliferation plant of any threatening kind would be bombed,
in an escalation of the almost weekly current harassment of Iraqi
installations by British and US fighter jets.

In Syria and Lebanon, as in Afghanistan, special ops would guide
air strikes, and also be called on to mount guerrilla-style raids
on training camps and to carry out assassinations. While a presidential
executive order - which Bush is under pressure to revoke - bans
overseas assassinations, the Pentagon points out that the US
can act as it pleases in self-defence. If action in Lebanon led
to an Israeli reinvasion of the southern part of the country,
it would be supported by the US.

Asked whether the Hamas organisation on the West Bank and in
Gaza would be too controversial for inclusion among possible
targets, one source said: 'never say never'."

-x

&gt;--- Original Message ---
&gt;From: "x" &lt;x&gt;
&gt;To: x, x
&gt;Date: 10/22/01 12:28:59 PM
&gt;

&gt;Dear Action and Coordination committees,
&gt;
&gt;The Palestine Right to Return Coalition would like to offer
the MAPC members
&gt;a teach-in on the Palestine/Israel conflict. X,
a graduate
&gt;student writing his thesis on the conflict and the founder of
Alternative
&gt;Palestinian Agenda, does a 45 minute teach-in that covers the
geographical,
&gt;political, legal, and historical aspect of the conflict.  We
believe that
&gt;there will be an interest among MAPC members and that it would
benefit them
&gt;to have a basic understanding of the issue, if they don't already.
&gt;
&gt;Please let me know how this might be set up. I suggest it gets
brought up at
&gt;the next general meeting to see how much interest there is,
and then we can
&gt;set a time somehow.
&gt;
&gt;Peace, X
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Your request to the Madpeace-mapc mailing list

    Posting of your message titled "city policy resolution"

has been rejected by the list moderator.  The moderator gave the
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"X, you sent this to announce, I think it should have just gone to
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X "

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Tough call, they're saying 100 troops went in and out. Not a "major" ground
invasion. I think we'll know more in the morning, and can't do much before
then anyhow.

x


&gt;From: "x" &lt;x&gt;
&gt;Reply-To: "x" &lt;x&gt;
&gt;To: &lt;x&gt;
&gt;CC: &lt;x&gt;
&gt;Subject: Re: [MAPC-coord] action, no action?
&gt;Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 23:35:22 -0500
&gt;
&gt;Aaaargh.
&gt;
&gt;Part of me says "If we have to ask whether we should hold an emergency
&gt;rally, we shouldn't hold it."
&gt;
&gt;The other part of me feels like a frog in a pot of water on the stove.  If
&gt;the heat is turned up gradually enough, the frog never knows when to jump,
&gt;until it's too late.
&gt;
&gt;I realize that's not very helpful.  Anyone else have an opinion?
&gt;
&gt;x
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;----- Original Message -----
&gt;From: "x" &lt;x&gt;
&gt;To: &lt;x&gt;
&gt;Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 10:34 PM
&gt;Subject: [MAPC-coord] action, no action?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt; all (this is really a response to x's friday morning
&gt; &gt; call to potential action/questions and marina's friday
&gt; &gt; night hey it looks like we should at least do a picket
&gt; &gt; line sat afternoon emails):
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; if we are going to do this tomorrow, as x is
&gt; &gt; suggesting, i am out, as i have to work, but pls keep
&gt; &gt; me posted, as i will then start the arts chain going.
&gt; &gt; do we want same signs or more? x has sticks and i
&gt; &gt; have cardboard, etc.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; i wonder if, and this is just a wonder, having even a
&gt; &gt; picket when the action is not being well-publicized is
&gt; &gt; a good idea. i know that there is much going on in
&gt; &gt; this war, like all other us "actions" which is
&gt; &gt; underwritten dramatically, and we need to call
&gt; &gt; attention to it, however, folks are more likely to
&gt; &gt; understand what we are calling for and call with us if
&gt; &gt; it is of a dramatic nature. subjective nature, i
&gt; &gt; suppose. as we all agreed at the last meeting, from
&gt; &gt; here on out it is much more subjective than just the
&gt; &gt; bombing beginning.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; regardless, i will pass the word if i hear back from
&gt; &gt; more folks.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; thanks,
&gt; &gt; x
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; --- x &lt;x&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; Hi all,
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; I'm back from work and the media coverage is
&gt; &gt; &gt; different than this
&gt; &gt; &gt; morning. This morning, TV had reported it as
&gt; &gt; &gt; "deploying ground troops."
&gt; &gt; &gt; Now the media is characterizing it as "a handful of
&gt; &gt; &gt; U.S. special forces."
&gt; &gt; &gt; Given that description, it looks like we do not need
&gt; &gt; &gt; to employ our
&gt; &gt; &gt; emergency response today. What a relief!  However, I
&gt; &gt; &gt; think we need to
&gt; &gt; &gt; be READY if troops are sent in. Given the quick
&gt; &gt; &gt; nature in which this
&gt; &gt; &gt; may happen, I opt for planning our strategy now so
&gt; &gt; &gt; we don't have to
&gt; &gt; &gt; scramble later. I think a picket line would be the
&gt; &gt; &gt; most expedient course,
&gt; &gt; &gt; especially given the fact that we've already had
&gt; &gt; &gt; numerous
&gt; &gt; &gt; rallies. Also, a picket line is a lot less work to
&gt; &gt; &gt; organize than a rally.
&gt; &gt; &gt; Rallies involve amplification, multiple speakers,
&gt; &gt; &gt; musicians, etc. We would
&gt; &gt; &gt; need the following to be ready if we decide on a
&gt; &gt; &gt; picket line: press release,
&gt; &gt; &gt; press contacts, bullhorn or portable sound system
&gt; &gt; &gt; (or both), picket signs,
&gt; &gt; &gt; chant sheets, and MAPC literature. These tasks cross
&gt; &gt; &gt; over multiple
&gt; &gt; &gt; committees so I think we ought to decide now what we
&gt; &gt; &gt; want to do and
&gt; &gt; &gt; start preparing within the committees--then we won't
&gt; &gt; &gt; be in a crisis
&gt; &gt; &gt; mode later.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Thoughts?
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Peace,
&gt; &gt; &gt; x
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; ----- Original Message -----
&gt; &gt; &gt; From: "x" &lt;x&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; To: &lt;x&gt;;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &lt;x&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 10:31 AM
&gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: [MAPC-coord] Re: [MAPC-action] 5pm Action
&gt; &gt; &gt; Protesting Ground Troops
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; CNN is reporting a small deployment of Special
&gt; &gt; &gt; Forces ground troops,
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; probably intended to locate targets for air
&gt; &gt; &gt; strikes rather than to engage
&gt; &gt; &gt; in
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; combat.  Fox News is reporting three teams of a
&gt; &gt; &gt; dozen troops each.  One of
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; them reported that there had been numerous prior
&gt; &gt; &gt; sightings of U.S. troops,
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; but that this was the first official confirmation.
&gt; &gt; &gt;  It's not the top story
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; either place.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; My recollection from the CC discussions was that
&gt; &gt; &gt; an emergency response
&gt; &gt; &gt; would
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; be automatic in the event of a non-Special Forces
&gt; &gt; &gt; ground invasion or a
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; *major* deployment of Special Forces, but that a
&gt; &gt; &gt; small Special Forces
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; deployment would not necessarily trigger an
&gt; &gt; &gt; emergency action.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I would also note that, in the two hours since Rae
&gt; &gt; &gt; posted this, there has
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; been no other discussion of an action on any of
&gt; &gt; &gt; the MAPC lists.  So I
&gt; &gt; &gt; don't
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; get the impression that other folks in MAPC have
&gt; &gt; &gt; interpreted this as
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; requiring immediate action.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; My own feeling -- perhaps influenced by the fact
&gt; &gt; &gt; that I'm sick and can't
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; help out regardless -- is that this is not a
&gt; &gt; &gt; significant military
&gt; &gt; &gt; escalation
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; and is probably just a public acknowledgment of
&gt; &gt; &gt; what has been happening on
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; the ground all along.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; x
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; ----- Original Message -----
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; From: "x" &lt;x&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; To: &lt;x&gt;;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &lt;x&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 7:53 AM
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: [MAPC-action] 5pm Action Protesting
&gt; &gt; &gt; Ground Troops
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; The media is saying that the US has sent ground
&gt; &gt; &gt; troops into Afghanistan.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; We
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; had planned on a 5pm action on the capitol in
&gt; &gt; &gt; response to this. I think
&gt; &gt; &gt; we
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; should go ahead, but given all the other things
&gt; &gt; &gt; we are doing, we should
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; keep
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; it simple.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I propose we just have a picket line. The
&gt; &gt; &gt; following things need to be
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; done:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Get an announcement out to WORT to build the
&gt; &gt; &gt; action.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Get a bullhorn.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Put together a sheet of chants.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; What do you think?
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Unfortunately, I am walking out the door to go
&gt; &gt; &gt; to work, so I can't help
&gt; &gt; &gt; on
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; this. Given the fact its a work day, I suspect
&gt; &gt; &gt; alot of other people are
&gt; &gt; &gt; in
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; the same boat. Can someone step up and run with
&gt; &gt; &gt; this?
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Thanks.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; x
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"We see the same intolerance of dissent, the same mad global ambitions,
the same brutal determination to control every life and all of life. We
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attacks," Bush said.
From:
Bush compares Taliban to Communist regimes
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Hello,

	I know many people are worried about the "law and order"
response to the Peace Parade scheduled for this coming Sat. (11/17)
at 12:00 Noon outside the gates of Truax Air Force Base near MATC in
Madison.  It is hard to predict what will happen.  Having been in
lots of protests, I tend to prepare for the worst and I would
encourage others to do the same.  No matter what we call the event -
parade, vigil, protest, march, memorial, etc. etc. - the reaction may
be exactly the same by the police.

	In terms of direct action, I agree with many others that the
"least threatening" tactics are preferable.  Personally, I'm not in
favor of blocking the gates, climbing the fence, or otherwise
creating a situation where authorities feel compelled to respond
and/or arrest people.  Of course, they could still pepperspray
someone for merely carrying a bouquet of flowers - such are the times
we live in...

At any rate, three relatively "mellow" and somewhat "fun" direct
action tactics people have been tossing around for Saturday's event
include:

1.) Decorating the fence with statements of resistance, demands for
peace, etc. etc. - this could include poems, quotes, balloons, paper
cranes, posters, large photos of Afghani children, etc. etc.  This
tactic worked very well in Quebec at the FTAA protests and got a lot
of media coverage.

2.) Mock minefield with similar looking "cluster bombs" and "food
packages" strewn along the roadside and entrance that people could
pick up and discover their fate by reading the explanation on the
bottom.  The UW Greens in conjunction with the International Campaing
to Ban Landmines has done similar mock minefields on UW Library Mall
with a good public response.

3.) Propaganda flights with people making paper "F-16s" out of copies
of the UN Declaration of Human Rights, Geneva Convention, photos of
refugees, etc. etc. and tossing them over the fence.  This tactic has
been used by solidarity groups  - a common nickname is the "Zapatista
Airforce."

	At any rate, these "mild" direct action tactics (and possible
others) I hope can be discussed at the Student Youth Caucus meeting
tonight and at the full MAPC meeting tomorrow.  Hopefully, there is
enough space and trust within the coalition umbrella for such
activities to occur.

						Thanks - X, Madison
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 From: x
 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 11:35:38 -0400
 To: x
 Subject: peace work in nyc'

 Hi.  I have put together a mini-list of the 5 or 6 women who responded to my
 post on SWS wanting to know about upcoming peace actions in nyc.  i put it
 together as a 'group' in my addressbook, so i have no idea what would happen
 if one of you tried to reply-all. it might work or you might get a lot of
 error messages back.

 anyway, this is what I currently know.  please pass along any other info in
 circulation.

 1. there are two coalitions currently operating, and some move to bring them
 together.  One group has been meeting at an alternative space in lower
 manhattan, Charas, and the other began at the Brecht Forum this past
 saturday.  more news in the future on those.

 2.  if/when the US initiates military action, there will be a peace vigil
 from 4-7pm in Times Square.  so if it starts at night, the vigil will be at
 4pm the next day.  if it starts in the morning, the vigil will begin that
 afternoon.  I think this is sponsored by the Charas group.

 3.  Arab American communities in NYC are experience assault.  In Brooklyn,
 the Arab American Family Services Center hgas been trying to organize a
 response.  they can be reached at x@x.x or xxx-xxx-xxxx.  x for
 Racial and Economic Justice at xxx-xxx-xxxx is also a good source of
 information on this, as they are gearing up for solidarity work.

 4. Sunday 9/23 is busy -
 Al Awda, a Palestinian organization supporting the Right to Return, is
 holding a forum to protest anti-arab racism at the Abyssinian Baptist
 Church, time tba.  check website www.alawda.org for more info
 a group of Jewish activists will be holding a community tashlich service
 at 12:30 at 83rd street and the Hudson River.  this will be oriented around
 protesting the continuing israeli occupation, in light of recent events.
 more info from x@x.x
 there will be a contingent of peace activists at the city memorial
 service at 3pm in Central Park.  i have not heard of any meeting palce set
 up yet, but the tashlich group will be leaving around 2pm to go over to the
 memorial to be peace presence.  so you could connect with that group at 2 by
 the river.

 5. the 9/29 anti-IMF rally has be transformed into a peace demonstration in
 Washington DC, called by the anti-globalization folks.  X at
X@x.x should know more about this.


x

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The press conference this morning was generally successful. 
Wisconsin State Journal, WIBA, Wisconsin Public Radio, WYOU,
and Badger Herald attended.  So six of the 12 chairs set up for
press were filled by the press, and two more were filled by some
peace movement people who showed up in solidarity.  X and
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X, and X spoke and answered questions.
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We have sent Fast information to around 100 church bulletins
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X (who pronounces her last name with a French
accent) will represent Media this week at the coordcom meeting.

I overspent on the Isthmus ad in order to guarantee placement
on page five.  Ad cost $435.  You can tell me to eat the overage
if you must, but it seemed like the right thing to do.  Ad will
appear in the 11/15 Isthmus.

In addition to writing a lot of releases and rewriting some others,
X has produced a lot of photocopied material on Afghanistan.
 Some of it is in the press kits we prepared for today's news
conference.  I think it would be nice if X or X had a copy
of the press kit along to pass around and share what we gave
the media today (X did a lot of the copy work and all the
folder preparation on these).

X is following up on X instructions that we
get stuff on the Insurgent Radio Kiosk and a couple other bulletin
boards.

We've been really busy the last few weeks and I think it's starting
to show in the media.




_______________________________________________
coordination@madpeace.org
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-cc

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                    ~~~ please forward this widely ~~~

*** CONTACT YOUR ALDER &amp; THE MAYOR TODAY - THE VOTE IS NEXT TUES NOV 20! ***

A resolution calling on the U.S. federal government to place humanitarian
and human rights concerns foremost in its policies and actions in
Afghanistan and surrounding regions was introduced this morning to the
Madison Common Council (text below).  We have _less than one week_ before
the vote on Tuesday, Nov 20 to let the Mayor and alders know we want our
city to go on record in support of peace - ACT TODAY!

** Call or e-mail your alder and the Mayor and ask them to support the
resolution (title: Humanitarian Priorities in Afghanistan) TODAY!

Mayor Bauman: e-mail sbauman@ci.madison.wi.us  or call 608-266-4611
Alder district and contact info at http://www.ci.madison.wi.us/council
Alder e-mails and phone #s also listed at end of this e-mail.

** Attend the Tues, Nov 20 council meeting to register and/or speak in
support of the resolution!

The Council meeting starts 6:30 pm, Tues Nov 20, in room 201 of the
City-County bldg, 210 Martin Luther King, Jr Blvd (just off Capitol Square),
but register EARLY (6 pm) to make sure your input is recorded!


Title:    Humanitarian Priorities in Afghanistan

A RESOLUTION regarding the urgent need to provide emergency humanitarian
assistance and development assistance to civilians in Afghanistan, including
Afghan refugees in surrounding countries.

WHEREAS, a disastrous humanitarian crisis is underway, with an estimated 7.5
million people in Afghanistan facing critical food shortage or outright
starvation this winter; and

WHEREAS, 70 percent of these people are women and children, and the UN
estimates 400,000 children under five will likely die this year, an increase
of 100,000 over last year; and

WHEREAS, food aid shipments have been disrupted because of U.S. bombing in
Afghanistan; and

WHEREAS, the aid agencies active in the region, including the Nobel laureate
Doctors Without Borders (MSF), Oxfam International and the World Food
Program have stated that the U.S. food drops can not meet the increasing and
urgent need for assistance; and

WHEREAS, Madison now participates directly and indirectly in U.S. military
efforts through many channels, including the federal taxes its citizens pay,
and through its citizens' participation in the armed forces; and

WHEREAS, the Mayor and Madison Common Council are appalled at the mass
starvation that will result from these actions to which they are a party if
the situation is not speedily addressed; and

WHEREAS, the Mayor and Madison Common Council deplore the dishonor such an
outcome would be for the victims of the terrorist attacks of September 11th;

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT the Mayor and Madison Common Council
support a resolution to the situation that minimizes loss of life; and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT humanitarian concerns must now be a top priority
for U.S. policy toward Afghanistan, especially as there exists a narrow
window of opportunity for supplying food to the region's population before
winter makes this difficult or impossible.  The Mayor and Madison Common
Council call on the federal government to defer to the judgement of
international aid agencies that a cessation in bombing is necessary to avoid
humanitarian disaster; and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT the Mayor and Madison Common Council call on
Afghanistan's neighbors to immediately reopen their borders to allow for the
safe passage of refugees, and call on the U.S. federal government and other
members of the international community to prepare to contribute to the
economic costs incurred by the flight of desperate Afghan civilians; and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT the Mayor and Madison Common Council call on the
U.S. federal government to actively support the work of various agencies to
deliver assistance in Afghanistan, particularly through overland truck
convoys, and to support safe humanitarian access to affected populations, in
partnership with humanitarian agencies, in quantities sufficient to
alleviate a large scale humanitarian catastrophe; and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT the Mayor and Madison Common Council call on the
U.S. federal government to contribute to efforts by the international
community to provide long-term, sustainable reconstruction and development
assistance for the people of Afghanistan, including efforts to protect the
basic human rights of women and children; and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT the Mayor and Madison Common Council call on the
international community to support democratic processes in Afghanistan
leading to a government which represents all its people, including women.

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT the Mayor and Madison Common Council, on behalf
of the people of Madison, in solidarity with the international community and
in their capacity as citizens of the United States, urge the U.S. federal
government to put humanitarian concerns first in its policies and actions
overseas.  Furthermore, the Mayor and Madison Common Council will consider
the U.S. federal government responsible for both the direct consequences of
its military actions in Afghanistan and for unintended, indirect results of
its actions leading to humanitarian crises in Afghanistan and the
surrounding region.

CITY OF MADISON      COMMON COUNCIL MEMBERS        2001 - 2003

1    Linda Bellman    274-0589    district1@council.ci.madison.wi.us

2    Brenda Konkel    251-2412    district2@council.ci.madison.wi.us

3    Warren Onken     244-7480    district3@council.ci.madison.wi.us

4    Michael Verveer  255-6498    district4@council.ci.madison.wi.us

5    Thomas Powell    347-9300    district5@council.ci.madison.wi.us

6    Judy Olson       245-0557    district6@council.ci.madison.wi.us

7    Cindy Thomas     271-5201    district7@council.ci.madison.wi.us

8    Todd Jarrell     259-1976    district8@council.ci.madison.wi.us

9    Paul Skidmore    829-1921    district9@council.ci.madison.wi.us

10   Ken Golden       238-4370    district10@council.ci.madison.wi.us

11   Jean MacCubbin   238-4863    district11@council.ci.madison.wi.us

12   Dorothy Borchardt  249-7202  district12@council.ci.madison.wi.us

13   Matt Sloan       250-6664    district13@council.ci.madison.wi.us

14   Tim Bruer        298-0060    district14@council.ci.madison.wi.us

15   Kent Palmer      244-7462    district15@council.ci.madison.wi.us

16   Judy Compton     221-2567    district16@council.ci.madison.wi.us

17   Santiago Rosas   244-9197    district17@council.ci.madison.wi.us

18   Paul Van Rooy    663-9500    district18@council.ci.madison.wi.us

19   Steve Holtzman   233-6056    district19@council.ci.madison.wi.us

20   Gary L. Poulson  233-1469    district20@council.ci.madison.wi.us

Common Council Office Phone Number:    266-4071

Office E-Mail (goes to all alders):  council@ci.madison.wi.us

____________________________________________
X

Check out these internet sites!
the East Timor Action Network/US      http://www.etan.org
Madison, WI - East Timor projects     http://www.aideasttimor.org
Madison's Social Justice Center       http://www.socialjusticecenter.org

"There must be no hiding place for political monsters such as unleashed the
destruction of East Timor in 1999. These are crimes which are far greater
than their immediate victims... They strike at the future as well as the
present. They make the world more dangerous for everyone."

-Carlos Filipe Ximenes Belo, Bishop of Dili, East Timor and 1996 Nobel
laureate


_______________________________________________
policy@madpeace.org
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-policy


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              <text>Folks -
Please read the following message before circulating any further the piece about Nancy Oden being detained at an airport in Maine.    The facts in the case are unclear - and we've decided to withhold any judgment about the case until we can get to the bottom of it.  Appearances are that the incident has been way overblown.  This said, the police riot in Hartford last week was a fairly serious incident, and very well-documented, and clearly DID target Green Party leadership in town, as well as other organizers in the local movement.
Anyway, here's an alternative point of view from Walt Sheasby, a California Green:
The Nov. 3 article from the Bangor Daily News seems to 
establish that Nancy Oden was not targetted because of 
having been flagged in a computer search. If that were the 
case, it would have profound consequences, and the small 
incident at the Bangor airport would be a harbinger of an 
even worse stampede toward a police state than Bush and 
the Republicrats have urged. 
The exaggeration of the hassle caused by Nancy Oden's 
apparent ire at being screened (something we all sympathize 
with) into a case of being apprehended by a computer plugged 
into the FBI's Most Wanted List of terrorists and their supporters 
is indefensible, and the GPUSA owes an apology to all anti-war 
groups. Crying "wolf!" in these difficult times is very irresponsible. 
As far as is known at this time, no U.S. anti-war or anti-globalization 
have been put on the list created by the FBI for the Patriot Act 
implementation. 
A similar alarmist report to GPUSA's has been made recently that 
the "Anarchist Faction" has been targeted on the new list. Actually, 
this is a specific group in Greece which has been responsible for 
bombings and assassinations. They have nothing whatsoever to do 
with the anti-capitalist globalization protests. The full and proper 
name of the group is "The Anarchist Faction for Subversion." 
The Patriot Act must be repealed, and the left must unify in demanding 
this from our representatives in Congress. But exaggeration has never 
been of any help, and paranoia only serves the cause of the "terrorists" 
holed up at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Together we can smoke them 
from their cave, and that means a united campaign for the Presidency 
in 2004 by the Green Party of the United States and its supporters. 
And in 2002 there must be hundreds of anti-war candidates running as 
Greens. This will be our best chance to turn around public opinion and 
make sure that it is the hawks of war who are targeted as Public 
Enemies. 
Viva la Causa Verde! 
Walt Contreras Sheasby 
LEADER OF GREEN SPLINTER GROUP FIBS ABOUT AIRPORT HASSLE 
In an official press release from its Chicago headquarters, the Greens/Green 
Party USA, a small splinter group that opposes recognition of the Green Party 
of the United States as the electoral voice of the movement that ran Ralph 
Nader for President in 2000, declared that one of its leaders was stopped 
from boarding a flight after a check turned up her name was on a computer 
list because the organization opposes the U.S. bombing of Afhanistan. The 
release said: 
&lt;Armed government agents grabbed Nancy Oden, Green Party USA 
coordinating committee member, Thursday at Bangor International Airport 
in Bangor Maine, as she attempted to board an American Airlines flight to 
Chicago. 
"An official told me that my name had been flagged in the computer," a 
shaken Oden said. "I was targeted because the Green Party USA opposes 
the bombing of innocent civilians in Afghanistan."&gt; 
The press release was relayed around the nation as a first signal of the reach 
of the new draconian Patriot Act. But it turns out that Nancy Oden was 
apparently not barred because of a computer check, but because she did 
not comply with standard screening for weapons. While who said what is 
not clear, it appears that her name was not flagged by a computer search 
of potential terrorists or their supporters, according to a news report 
in the Bangor Daily News on Nov. 3. 
While the undue harassment of airline travelers is to be condemned, it does 
not seem that this incident warrants fears of a major violation of Constitutional 
guarantees of free speech, as it first appeared. The group that Nancy Oden 
leads is nevertheless using the incident to draw attention and support to itself. 
One member of the group's National Council urged: 
&lt;The first thing to do is to organize a committee, include spokesperson/ 
spokespersons. Contact civil liberties organizations including the National 
Lawyers Guild, the ACLU ... Ask organizaitons to sponsor defense 
committee- Seek prominent attorney who may need to have a license to 
practice in Maine- Send releases out every day. Has Ralph Nader been 
contacted? What about Phil Donahue CONTACT TALK SHOWS. TRY 
TO GET POLITICIANS TO SUPPORT, Barbara Lee. Organizations in 
Maine who know Nancy and will back her up.&gt; 
If the incident had taken place as Nancy Oden described it, it would mean 
that other Green activists and leaders of other anti-war groups would also 
be on computer lists and barred from flying, which reportedly has not been 
the case. The exaggeration of her victimization may only serve to discredit 
opposition to the Bush Administration's attack on civil liberties. 
It may also further isolate the Green Party USA, which saw a majority of 
delegates at its July 20 National Convention leave to form a new Green 
Alliance, which has its first convention in New Orleans January 18-21. 
From the Bangor Daily News, Nov. 3, 2001: 
http://www.bangornews.com/editorialnews/article.html?ID=44958 
Green Party activist denied Chicago flight 
BANGOR â¤" Green Party activist Nancy Oden was grounded at Bangor 
International Airport on Thursday after reportedly becoming uncooperative 
when she was targeted for additional screening. 
Oden, who said she believed she was singled out for extra scrutiny because 
of her activist past and public opposition to the current war effort, was 
on her way to Chicago to attend a Green Party USA meeting when airline 
personnel told her that she had been selected to undergo added security 
screening before boarding. 
â¤oeI was treated if I were guilty just because Iâ¤(tm)m a dissident and I speak 
out,â¤? Oden, a middle-aged woman who sits on the partyâ¤(tm)s national 
coordinating committee, said from her Jonesboro home after she had 
abandoned her travel plans. â¤oeTheyâ¤(tm)re looking at me like Iâ¤(tm)m a terrorist and 
Iâ¤(tm)m just a peaceful person trying to go to a meeting in Chicago.â¤? 
Since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, security has been tightened at all 
the nationâ¤(tm)s airports â¤" including BIA, where armed National Guardsmen 
monitor the screening area and passenger lists are checked against the 
FBIâ¤(tm)s terrorist watch list. 
Officials at BIA and American Eagle Airlines have a much different account 
of Odenâ¤(tm)s afternoon run-in with the added security. 
â¤oeShe was uncooperative during the screening process,â¤? said American Eagle 
spokesman Kurt Iverson, who added that Oden reportedly would not stand 
still when security staff tried to wave a metal-detecting wand over her. 
â¤oeObviously if they canâ¤(tm)t submit to screening, [Federal Aviation 
Administration] regulations require that they not be allowed to board the 
plane.â¤? 
Oden said that while she asked security staff not to touch her with the 
wand, she did allow them to complete their search of both her person and 
her baggage. Oden said that she did pull away from a National Guardsman 
when he grabbed her left arm and asked her if she â¤oeknew what happened on 
September 11,â¤? she said. 
While acknowledging that Oden was singled out for added extensive 
screening, authorities said it was more likely due to the manner in which 
she purchased her ticket than for her activist past. Under newly adopted 
FAA regulations, more passengers â¤" either randomly or based on a 
computerized profile â¤" are being targeted for more intense screening 
during the boarding process. 
While industry officials were unwilling to release the criteria under which 
they would profile a passenger, they said the criteria did not include 
federally protected characteristics such as race, religion, age or sex. 
Without providing details, interim airport director Rebecca Hupp said that 
the FAA guidelines â¤oehave more to do with the ticket than the person.â¤? For 
instance, one airline official said, a passenger who pays cash for a ticket 
the day of the flight would likely undergo added scrutiny. Oden bought her nonrefundable ticket online, she said. 
While an FBI spokeswoman would neither confirm nor deny the presence of 
any name on the terrorist watch list â¤" another trigger for added security 
response â¤" one law enforcement source said it was â¤oeextremely unlikelyâ¤? 
Oden was on the list of potential terrorists because her name is unknown to 
the FBI. 
After the incident, Oden was told she could not take her scheduled flight 
to Chicago, and that she could not travel on any other airline at the 
airport that day. 
â¤oeIf I had done something wrong, they should have arrested me instead of 
denying me my right to travel,â¤? an upset Oden said Friday. â¤oeWeâ¤(tm)re losing 
more of our rights and people donâ¤(tm)t realize it.â¤?
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A Slogan, Exhausted, Shall Never Be Repeated!

Zoltan

discuss@madpeace.org wrote:
&gt; Folks,
after browsing the action committee page I realized that I am to lead
the crowd in chants.

Suggestions needed!

What should we chant tomorrow?

let me know asap!

thanks,
X
mc tomorrow

_______________________________________________
discuss@madpeace.org mailing list
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-discuss
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Dear Friends: 
A great tragedy has befallen our nation. A catastrophe that leaves none of our lives untouched. Many innocent lives were lost due to a senseless act of terror and violence. Although this horriffic event may outrage many, and rightly so, it cannot be justified or corrected through more violence. Another senseless act in retaliation will not repair the damage done, nor bring back those who were lost. It will only perpetuate a violent, barbaric cycle fueled by hatred and ignorance. The perpetrators of these crimes must be caught and brought 
to justice, but without the continued loss of innocent life. 

President Bush, 
We the undersigned encourage you to take responsible, peaceful action 
in bringing the terrorists to justice. Please seriously consider the 
negative ramifications of continued killing and perpetuating the cycle 
of violence. Although many lives have already been lost, MANY MORE CAN 
STILL BE SAVED. 

1. X 
2. X 
3. X 
4. X 
5. X 
6. X 
7. X 
8. X. 
9. X 
10. X.
11. X 
12. X 
13. X 
14. X 
15. X 
16. X 
17. X 
18. X 
19. X 
20. X

Petition note: To sign, copy this entire message into a new email and 
&gt; send to all those in favor of a more peaceful world. If you sign as a 
&gt; multiple of 50, please send the petition to President Bush at 
&gt; president@whitehouse.gov along with the other addresses to continue the 
&gt; petition. If you do not intend to continue this petition please at 
&gt; least forward it to the President's email. 


It's never too late to be what you might have been.  ~ George Eliot

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