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note: Also implicated in supporting the Indonesian radical Muslim group
Laskar Jihad is the Indonesian security forces, notably in attacks on
Christian residents of the Maluccan islands.  In the "politicians do the
darndest things" category, the Bush administration plans to globalize its
"war against terrorism" by resuming arms sales and training for this same
Indonesian military (which itself could easily be considered a terrorist
organization, by any honest definition of the term).
____________________________________________
East Timor Action Network field organizer   ETAN field office
Social Justice Center
office 608-663-5431                         1202 Williamson St
cell 608-347-4598                           Madison, WI 53703
home 608-255-4598                           fax 608-227-0141

Check out these internet sites!
the East Timor Action Network/US      http://www.etan.org
Madison, WI - East Timor projects     http://www.aideasttimor.org
Madison's Social Justice Center       http://www.socialjusticecenter.org

"We struggled for more than 24 years for independence. We've learned the
lesson that even small people have a voice."
    -East Timorese leader Mari Alkatiri, during the August 30, 2001
Constituent Assembly vote

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excerpt: Most worrisome to the U.S. is Indonesia. Bush administration
officials say they believe Indonesia's most militant fundamentalist
Islamic group, Laskar Jihad, has ties to Taliban fighters. Investigators
are studying reports that some of the missing Indonesian fighters
who trained in Afghanistan may have ended up with the group.

The Wall Street Journal
October 26, 2001

Past Catches Up to Southeast Asia
Amid Search for Terrorist Groups

Southeast Asia has been fertile ground for terrorist operations in
	he past, and the region is still under pressure from Islamic groups
and can't be seen as too malleable to American demands.

By HELENE COOPER
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

WASHINGTON -- Three years ago, 1,500 young Indonesian men thought to be
involved in their country's fight to keep East Timor went to Afghanistan to
train with Taliban fighters, U.S. officials say; they also believe all 1,500
returned home. But today, U.S. officials say they only know the whereabouts
of 1,000 of them.

An Indonesian government official wouldn't confirm or deny that any of its
citizens sought training in Afghanistan. Instead, he said Thursday that
"intelligence cooperation between Indonesia and the U.S. has taken place to
address" concerns about any such trainees. But American officials are far
less circumspect. "There's a time bomb of 500 young people in Indonesia,"
says one U.S. official, "and that really concerns the American government."

As U.S. jets bomb Taliban targets in Afghanistan, senior Bush administration
officials are turning their attention to other fronts in America's war on
terrorism. Increasingly, Southeast Asia, home to some of the world's largest
Muslim populations, is climbing up the priority list of potential trouble
spots.

For the Bush administration, this presents a two-fold problem in Malaysia
and
Indonesia, whose populations are majority Muslim, and the Philippines, which
is predominantly Catholic but has a small Muslim population fueling a
separatist movement on its southern islands. All three countries are led by
secular governments that the U.S. doesn't want to undermine. All three also
are under pressure from Islamic groups and can't be seen as too malleable to
American demands.

But in the past, Southeast Asia has been fertile ground -- and at times a
launch pad -- for terrorist operations. In 1995, police in the Philippines
uncovered a plot to crash an airplane into the Central Intelligence Agency's
Langley, Va., headquarters. During the Persian Gulf War, Iraqi agents
allegedly tried to blow up the U.S. ambassador's residence in Indonesia,
which has the world's largest Muslim population. And an Islamic separatist
group based in the southern Philippines this year expanded its profitable
kidnapping operations to Malaysia, the U.S. Department of State reported in
its most recent terrorism report.


That leaves White House officials walking a tightrope. The administration
wants to pressure Indonesia, Malaysia and the Philippines to crack down on
terrorist cells operating inside their borders. But U.S. officials also are
wary of stirring up anti-American sentiment in countries whose Muslim
populations have long existed peaceably alongside other religious groups.

The dilemma for President Bush was highlighted at last week's summit among
Asian-Pacific nations in Shanghai, China. Mr. Bush was mostly successful in
his efforts to get a strong statement from the Pacific Rim leaders: The
communique issued at the end of the weekend meeting "unequivocally"
condemned
the Sept. 11 attacks as "murderous deeds," and denounced terrorism "in all
forms and manifestations."

But largely because of pressure from Malaysia and Indonesia, the statement
was noticeably silent on two major points. It made no mention of Osama bin
Laden. And it didn't endorse the U.S.-led military strikes in Afghanistan.

Both Indonesian President Megawati Sukarnoputri and Malaysian Prime Minister
Mahathir Mohamad are struggling with the dilemma of how to crack down on the
rise of militant Islamists without alienating the rest of their
mostly-Muslim
populations. U.S. officials acknowledge they have to tiptoe around those
concerns when seeking help in their campaign against terrorism.

Asian Anxiety

Some of the militant Islamic groups based in East Asia

The Philippines

Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG), operating in the southern Philippines, is a radical
Islamic separatist group with as many as 2,000 members. It has engaged in
bombings, kidnapping and extortion.

Alex Bonyacayo Brigade (ABB) is an offshoot of the Communist Party of the
Philippines National PeopleÕs Army. It has about 500 members, and has been
involved in more than 100 murders and various attacks on foreign businesses.
Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) is the largest Islamist separatist
group
remaining in the Philippines. Philippine officials have accused it of
several
bombings, including two at shopping malls and five in Manila on Dec. 30.
Indonesia

Laskar Jihad -- This organization, with membership in the thousands, fights
in a sectarian conflict that has left thousands of people dead in eastern
Indonesia.
Malaysia

Al-Ma'unah -- This Malaysian Islamic sect last year raided two military
armories and took four hostages, killing two.
Sources: U.S. Department of State Patterns of Global Terrorism 2000; WSJ
research
"We respect that a country like Malaysia has internal challenges and
tensions
it must deal with," U.S. Trade Rep. Robert Zoellick said after meeting Mr.
Mahathir in China last week.

Administration officials believe they may have more maneuvering room with
Indonesia. President Megawati, who recently took over leadership of a
country
devastated by internal conflict, needs U.S. aid. During a visit to
Washington
last month she requested American economic assistance in the form of loans
and other aid, while condemning the terrorist attacks and expressing
cautious
support for measures against terrorism.


U.S. officials are considering offering her more military, economic and
political support as a carrot to crack down on Islamic militants. But there
again, it is a tough call, Bush officials say. Many Congressional leaders
don't like the idea of bolstering the Indonesian military, which has been
criticized by human-rights groups.

About 85% of Indonesia's 210 million people follow Islam. Two-thirds of
Malaysia's 23 million people are Muslim. Just 3% of the Philippines' 83
million people are Muslim, but they have fought a separatist insurrection
for
years. Thailand also has a restive Muslim minority.

Even before Sept. 11, U.S. officials were fretting about the rise of Muslim
militancy in Southeast Asia, and in particular, about links there to Osama
bin Laden's al Qaeda network. In the Philippines, Mr. bin Laden's
brother-in-law, Saudi businessman Mohamed Jamal Khalifa, helped found Abu
Sayyaf, an al Qaeda offshoot believed to be responsible for a rash of
kidnappings and murders, investigators say. Abu Sayyaf claims it is seeking
an independent Muslim state in the Philippines, but the Filipino government
characterizes the group as a gang of bandits that specializes in kidnappings
and piracy. Among other crimes, the group claimed to have beheaded an
American hostage whose remains were found on Basilan Island this month.

Earlier this week, five U.S. military advisers arrived in Zamboanga, in the
southern Philippines, joining about 25 U.S. troops who arrived last week to
train Philippine forces fighting Abu Sayyaf.

U.S. officials believe Abu Sayyaf is the key to al Qaeda links in Southeast
Asia. Indeed, in Malaysia, Abu Sayyaf last year kidnapped 21 people,
including 10 foreign tourists, from a diving resort, State Department
officials say.

Most worrisome to the U.S. is Indonesia. Bush administration officials say
they believe Indonesia's most militant fundamentalist Islamic group, Laskar
Jihad, has ties to Taliban fighters. Investigators are studying reports that
some of the missing Indonesian fighters who trained in Afghanistan may have
ended up with the group. Laskar Jihad officials deny they have any links to
Osama bin Laden, but confirm that the group's founder, Ja'far Umar Thalib,
fought in Afghanistan and met Mr. bin Laden. In addition, Laskar Jihad
leaders say they have "trainers" with Afghan fighting experience.

Not everyone in the administration views Indonesia as a threat. Indeed, one
U.S. official played down the worries about the unaccounted-for fighters.
Likewise, W. Scott Thompson, director of the Southeast Asia studies program
at Tufts University in Boston, says it shouldn't be assumed that U.S.
officials' inability to locate 500 men means they all joined terrorist
groups.

"It's not as if 500 missing men have gone and hidden on a mountain. [It's]
probably more like 50 that we need to worry about, while the rest went and
got jobs with the Ford Foundation," he said.

Chris Dagg, a Southeast Asia specialist at Simon Fraser University in
Burnaby, Canada, also plays down terrorism fears in Indonesia. "The groups
in
Indonesia are pretty homegrown, and fairly internal-looking," he said. "I'd

be surprised if they were [recipients of] international terrorist support."

Even so, Mr. Thompson says the U.S. rates Indonesia at "a level 6" out of 10
as a source of anxiety. "This is a big country," he explains, "and it's
falling apart."

-- Jay Solomon contributed to this article.


Far Eastern Economic Review
Issue cover-dated November 1, 2001

Intelligence

Aceh Marijuana Funds Bin Laden

The United States believes associates of Osama bin Laden have been raising
money for the wanted Saudi millionaire from the thriving marijuana trade in
Indonesia's troubled Aceh province. But when the then U.S. ambassador,
Robert Gelbard, approached Indonesian intelligence agencies and former
President Abdurrahman Wahid a year ago with evidence, he was largely
ignored. Former Attorney General Marzuki Darusman says Gelbard told him that
the military intelligence agency had accepted his offer of a briefing, but
that the civilian State Intelligence Agency turned down his offer without
explanation. The ambassador also raised the issue with Wahid, but Darusman
says the president was distracted by efforts to find a solution to Aceh's
worsening separatist rebellion. Bin Laden's alleged involvement in the
marijuana trade was never made public, but Gelbard did insist on several
occasions, long before the September 11 attacks in New York and Washington,
that bin Laden's network maintained a small, apparently dormant cell in
Indonesia.
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RAWA will be here in Chicago!
RAWA: The Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan.

The following in a free program at
Harold Washington Library Center/Chicago Public Library.
Society in Focus/Women's History Month Committee Program:
Please post and share:

Saturday, November 10, 2001, 2:00 P.M.
Harold Washington Library Center
Chicago Authors Room, 7th Floor
400 S. State St.
Free

Society in Focus

The Struggle for Womens Emancipation
  in South Asia and the Middle East
RAWA:
The Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan

Panel discussion including:
Tahmeena Faryal, RAWA representative  (not her real name)
Janet Afary:
Purdue University, Iranian feminist and scholar,
author of The Iranian Constitutional Revolution, 1906-1911:
Grassroots Democracy, Social Democracy &amp; the Origins of Feminism
Madhuri Deskmukh: Oakton Community College, Indian feminist
Manal Sam, Palestinian women's rights activist
Saturday, November 10, 2001, 2:00 P.M.
Harold Washington Library Center
Chicago Authors Room, 7th Floor
400 S. State St.
Free
NO CAMERAS (STILL OR VIDEO) OR AUDIO RECORDING ALLOWED
RAWA was established in Kabul, Afghanistan, in 1977 as an
independent, all volunteer, non-violent political/social
organization of Afghan women fighting for human rights and social
justice in Afghanistan.  RAWA, secretly and under the threat of
death, conducts nursing courses, literacy courses, and vocational
training courses for women. In addition, they provide schooling for
  children, as well as medical care. In neighboring Pakistan, RAWA
provides Afghan refugees with aid, runs orphanages, and sponsors
income-generating projects.
For more information about RAWA:    http://www.rawa.org

Co-sponsored by News and Letters Committees/Open University of the Left
Society in Focus/Womens History Month Committee  program
312-747-4600

________________________________________________________________________
Another unrelated but good source of information about women in
Afghanistan is:
The Feminist Majoritiy Foundation
http://www.feminist.org/afghan/intro.asp
Read articles; make donations; take action.
______________________________________________________________________

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discuss@madpeace.org mailing list
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-discuss

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I have been placing and collecting funds at these local businesses
for about a month now. So far we have raised about $100.00 just from
people's spare change and good will. Let's thank them by patronizing
these stores and restaurants and when you see our blue boxes, put
your donation in!

Lakeside Press, Nature's Bakery, Willy St. Co-op, Mifflin St. Co-op,
Magic Mill Grocery, Rainbow Bookstore Cooperative, Cafe Assisi,
Community Pharmacy

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Subject: [MAPC-policy] Re: S1510/Feingold meeting/our next meeting


As the hour struck Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 02:54:01PM -0500, x
raved:

&gt; Hello all,
&gt;
&gt; Look on the bright side - now we know where Kohl stands on the bill
&gt; (bastard)...

Truly a black day.  Did you know that the House has *dropped* the PATRIOT
act and is moving to vote on a copy of the senate bill *today*?  Call x!

What do they hope to accomplish by muzzling debate?

&gt;
&gt; I'd like to suggest we meet before the next general MAPC meeting - say
5:45
&gt; Tues 10/16 in the Memorial Union, in the same room where the 6:30 general
&gt; MAPC meeting will be. If that room is occupied, let's meet in the good old
&gt; Paul Bunyan room. How does that sound?
&gt;


&gt;     Although there's a lot we should continue to do on the Congressional
&gt; level, I think it'd be good to come up with a plan for getting our city
&gt; council to pass a sense resolution for peace, in protection of civil
&gt; liberties, etc. We'd need to check to see if anything's been passed since
&gt; Sept 11, figure out who on the Council to approach, talk with them about
&gt; what's the best angle to take. Once we decide how to proceed, we can draw
up
&gt; a petition in support of the resolution.

I have mixed feelings about that.  The Madison school board's decision re:
the
Pledge has stirred up the viper's nest of right-wingnuts.  Madison is
getting
a *lot* of very bad national press.  Although of course I won't simply bend
over for the loons, I think we have to consider the uneven impact such a
resolution would have in that context.

Basically, it seems like a potentially very divisive tactic.  We don't have
the
support yet to afford such confrontations, I think.

My $.02,

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----- Original Message -----
From: &lt;register@washingtonpost.com&gt;
To: &lt;rick@kissell.org&gt;
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 10:28 PM
Subject: A washingtonpost.com article from a washingtonpost.com user


&gt; You have been sent this message from a washingtonpost.com user as a
courtesy of the Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com).
&gt;
&gt; To view the entire article, go to
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37718-2001Nov15.html
&gt;
&gt; On Left and Right, Concern Over Anti-Terrorism Moves
&gt;
&gt; By George Lardner Jr.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; A growing chorus on the left and the right is accusing the Bush
administration of ignoring civil liberties while leaving the courts and
Congress out in the cold as it aggressively pursues the war on terrorism
here and abroad.
&gt;
&gt; Critics ranging from the solidly liberal People for the American Way
Foundation to conservative Rep. Robert L. Barr Jr. (R-Ga.) are
characterizing recently announced administration plans as ethnic profiling,
power grabbing and overzealous law enforcement.
&gt;
&gt; "Military tribunals, secret evidence, no numbers on how many people the
government is detaining," said Jim Zogby, president of the Arab-American
Institute. "We're looking like a Third World country."
&gt;
&gt; The latest focus of the debate is an order signed by President Bush this
week that empowers him to order military trials here and abroad for
international terrorists and their collaborators.
&gt;
&gt; But other complaints concern Attorney General John D. Ashcroft's decision
to monitor conversations between lawyers and some clients in federal custody
if Ashcroft believes it is necessary to thwart future terrorism; the plan to
question 5,000 foreign nationals who recently entered the country; and the
FBI's visits to hundreds of college campuses to check on the records of
foreign students, mostly from Middle Eastern countries.
&gt;
&gt; Under pressure from the Justice Department, the State Department also has
agreed to slow temporarily the granting of visas to Arab and Muslim males,
ages 16 to 45, from 25 countries so the FBI and INS can conduct security
checks.
&gt;
&gt; The administration has made no apologies, saying the nation is in the
midst of an extraordinary emergency.
&gt;
&gt; "I think it's important to understand that we are at war now," Ashcroft
said earlier this week in defending military tribunals.
&gt;
&gt; Assistant Attorney General Viet Dinh said that the overriding goal of the
Justice Department is to "prevent further terrorist attacks" but that at the
same time it must take care "not to redefine the line between law
enforcement and civil liberties."
&gt;
&gt; Critics in Congress, legal scholars and spokesmen for the nation's Arab
American community have voiced misgivings about the new anti-terrorism laws,
passed last month as the USA-Patriot Act. But they are far more vocal about
what the administration has done since then.
&gt;
&gt; Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.) said he
intends to hold hearings on the military tribunals directive and other
recent steps that have been taken without consulting Congress.
&gt;
&gt; "There's a lot of disquiet among both Republican and Democratic senators
who think the rules of law are being turned on their head, and they wonder
what we gain by it," Leahy said in an interview. "I want to know what
security needs are being met, or whether this is action for the sake of
having action when you can't catch people."
&gt;
&gt; House Judiciary Committee members have also called for hearings. Barr said
the administration should have given the new anti-terrorist laws time to
work, then gone back to Congress if they turned out to be insufficient.
&gt;
&gt; "Instead, it seems their attitude is, 'Well, that wasn't enough so we're
going to take more,' " Barr told a reporter. "I'm not sure we can ever
satisfy the federal government's insatiable appetite for more power."
&gt;
&gt; Advocacy groups from both sides of the political spectrum have joined the
debate. Ralph Neas, president of the People for the American Way Foundation,
accused Ashcroft of "waging a relentless assault on civil liberties." Among
the most troubling actions, Neas said, was the order empowering Ashcroft to
violate the attorney-client privilege without a court order.
&gt;
&gt; The Justice Department said the order so far pertains only to 13 people in
federal custody, none of them connected to the Sept. 11 attacks.
&gt;
&gt; "Terrorism isn't the only threat to our way of life," Neas said yesterday.
"We need an attorney general who will stand up to terrorists, but we also
need an attorney general who will stand up for the Constitution and the Bill
of Rights."
&gt;
&gt; Zogby said the administration's emergency measures are already undermining
U.S. credibility abroad, where thousands of Arab men, students, businessmen
and, in some cases, royalty are having visa requests held up for security
checks.
&gt;
&gt; Just back from a trip to Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, Zogby
said the fear of U.S. authorities there is widespread.
&gt;
&gt; "Forty percent of the students from the UAE who were in the United States
. . . have already gone home," Zogby said.
&gt;
&gt; Tim Lynch, director of the Cato Institute's project on criminal justice,
said it appears that the president's strong support in public opinion polls
has fostered "an arrogance at the White House." He said officials believe
they can take presidential power "farther than it's gone before."
&gt;
&gt; Lynch was especially critical of the order for military tribunals. They
would be able to impose sentences as severe as death on a two-thirds vote,
hold trials in secret and rely on evidence that would be rejected in a civil
court.
&gt;
&gt; "It undermines the courts, obviously," Lynch said of the order, "and it
undermines Congress because it is essentially legislating action by
presidential edict."
&gt;
&gt; Issued by Bush as commander in chief, the military order directs the
secretary of defense to detain indefinitely any noncitizen who Bush has
"reason to believe" is a past or present member of Osama bin Laden's al
Qaeda terror network, has engaged in international terrorism directed at
U.S. interests or has "knowingly harbored such individuals."
&gt;
&gt; Military tribunals, using whatever standard of proof Defense Secretary
Donald H. Rumsfeld chooses, then would be able to try those individuals for
"all offenses triable by military commission" -- in other words, offenses
under the laws of war.
&gt;
&gt; "This is absolutely, totally constitutional," an administration official
conversant with the decree said yesterday. "The only ones to be tried will
be foreign enemy belligerents."
&gt;
&gt; That could include an al Qaeda cell member planning more acts of violence,
he said. "If they're hiding and planning acts of violence," he said, "they
are in violation of the laws of war. The U.S. Constitution doesn't protect
them."
&gt;
&gt; Bush's order does not allow for judicial review. Several legal experts
said a little-noticed provision at the end of the directive order also
appears to be an effort by the president to suspend the right of habeas
corpus, which prisoners can use to challenge their detention.
&gt;
&gt; President Franklin D. Roosevelt claimed such authority, without success,
when he ordered a secret military trial of eight Nazi saboteurs during World
War II.
&gt;
&gt; Bush said that "any individual subject to this order shall not be
privileged to seek any remedy . . . in any court of the United States, or
any state thereof."
&gt;
&gt; "The word 'privileged' is the tip-off," said Philip A. Lacovara, a former
deputy U.S. solicitor general. He said he was surprised by the provision
even though he favors military tribunals as the best response to the attacks
of Sept. 11.
&gt;
&gt; "The Constitution sets out only two grounds for suspending the privilege
of challenging one's detention on a habeas corpus petition: one is invasion
and the other is rebellion. Even in the Civil War, the courts were reluctant
to allow President Lincoln to dispense with habeas corpus."
&gt;
&gt; Lacovara added: "It adds another level of controversy to the order."
&gt;
&gt; Dan Bartlett, the White House's communications director, denied that the
order forecloses habeas corpus petitions for noncitizens detained in the
United States for military trials.
&gt;
&gt; During World War II, the Supreme Court reviewed the saboteurs' case
despite Roosevelt's attempts to block their petition for release. The White
House is aware that would probably occur if Bush tried the same thing,
administration officials said.
&gt;
&gt; &lt;em&gt;Staff writers Dan Eggen and Mary Beth Sheridan contributed to this
report.&lt;/em&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;


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Dear Friends,
     Here's something that will come up tomorrow night.
     The Policy Committee would like to bring a resolution to the city
council.  We decided to focus on the humanitarian situation, but added a bit
obliquely opposing the bombing at the end--that part we doubt will pass.  We
based much of this on Wellstone's S.172 resolution introduced on  10/18.
     We expect to negotiate the language with alders we approach, in order
to craft something they are willing to bring to the council and/or vote for.
  If we get something to pass, it could send a strong message about how much
common ground there is among Americans...
     Please review the draft below and provide feedback--on content
especially.  What MUST be in this resolution?  What CANNOT be in this
resolution?
     Thank you.

X


===================================================================
A RESOLUTION regarding the urgent need to provide emergency humanitarian
assistance and development assistance to civilians in Afghanistan, including
Afghan refugees in surrounding countries.


SPONSORS:	[Alders names here.]


WHEREAS,	a disastrous humanitarian crisis is underway, with an estimated 7.5
million people in Afghanistan facing critical food shortage or outright
starvation this winter; and

WHEREAS,	70 percent of these people are women and children, and the UN
estimates 400,000 children under five will likely die this year, an increase
of over 30 percent from last year; and

WHEREAS, 	food aid shipments have been disrupted because of U.S bombing in
Afghanistan; and

WHEREAS,	the aid agencies active in the region, including the Nobel laureate
Doctors Without Borders (MSF), Oxfam International and the World Food
Program have stated that the U.S. food
drops can not meet the increasing and urgent need for assistance; and

WHEREAS,	Madison now participates directly and indirectly in U.S. military
efforts through many channels, including the federal taxes its citizens pay,
and through its citizens' participation in the armed forces; and

WHEREAS,	the Mayor and Common Council are appalled at the mass starvation
that will result from these actions to which they are a party if the
situation is not speedily addressed; and

WHEREAS,	The Mayor and Common Council deplore the dishonor such an outcome
would be for the victims of the terrorist attacks of September 11th;

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT the Mayor and Common Council urge a
resolution to the situation that minimizes loss of life; and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT humanitarian concerns must now be a top priority
for U.S. policy toward Afghanistan, especially as there exists a narrow
window of opportunity for supplying food to the region's population before
winter makes this difficult or impossible; and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT Afghanistan's neighbors should immediately
reopen their borders to allow for the safe passage of refugees, and the U.S.
and other members of the international community must be prepared to
contribute to the economic costs incurred by the flight of desperate Afghan
civilians; and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT the United States must actively support the work
of various agencies to deliver assistance in Afghanistan, particularly
through overland truck convoys, and support safe humanitarian access to
affected populations, in partnership with humanitarian agencies in
quantities sufficient to alleviate a large scale humanitarian catastrophe;
and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT the United States should contribute to efforts
by the international community to provide long-term, sustainable
reconstruction and development assistance for the people of Afghanistan,
including efforts to protect the basic human rights of women and children;
and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT the United States should support democratic
processes in Afghanistan leading to a government which represents all its
people, including women; and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT the people of Madison, in solidarity with the
international community and in their capacity as citizens of the United
States, will consider the Government of the United States responsible for
both the direct consequences of its military actions in Afghanistan and for
the results of its indifference to the priority of humanitarian concerns in
Afghanistan and the surrounding region.
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When I made the motion for the "two pronged" strategy, I phrased it as a
"recommendation" from the membership to the Policy Working Group, in
anticipation of this possibility.  Ultimately, the alders, not MAPC or the
Policy Committee, are in control of this process.

If your group feels that it has made its best effort to get a stronger
version introduced, and the alders won't go for it, then I have no problem
with proceeding with whatever the alders are willing to support.

The unfortunate consequence is that we will lose out on the opportunity to
hold a very public debate over the war itself -- something that, as Allen
suggested at the meeting based on Gulf War precedent, would be a great
organizing opportunity.  But, as I say, we're not in control of this
process, so we take what we can get.

One suggestion:  Perhaps when hearings are held on the "weaker" version, we
can encourage speakers to support that resolution, but urge the Council to
take a stronger position in the future.

X

----- Original Message -----
From: "X" &lt;X&gt;
To: &lt;policy@madpeace.org&gt;
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 8:17 AM
Subject: [MAPC-policy] resolution update


&gt; Hi Everyone,
&gt;
&gt;    The progressive caucus thought they would be ready to act on something
&gt; AFTER Thanksgiving.  Apparently changing "prayers" to "sympathies" was
very
&gt; divisive last time, so they needed a breather.
&gt;
&gt;    I still haven't gotten the in-depth feedback on this--Thursday night I
&gt; should.  X has been appointed to do this for me.
&gt;
&gt;    X suggested we intro the whole text as a "communication"
(no
&gt; alder's name attached).  That could be done BEFORE Thanksgiving.
&gt;
&gt;    My first step though will be to call X, to make sure I am
&gt; acting on her excellent strategy advice.
&gt;
&gt;    I'd like the Policy Committee's input on something though.  How far do
we
&gt; pursue the two-pronged approach?  What I'm hearing from the progressive
&gt; alders is that they don't want something too "divisive" (presumably to
their
&gt; own caucus?), which means they want to back the weakest thing we've
&gt; presented them with.  If we are going to introduce one final text "as a
&gt; communication" I definitely need the Policy Committee's OK on what that
&gt; final text should be.
&gt;
&gt;    OK, I'll get back to you when I know more.
&gt;
&gt;    Sorry about all the e-mail.
&gt;
&gt; --X
&gt;
&gt; _________________________________________________________________
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&gt;
&gt;
&gt; _______________________________________________
&gt; policy@madpeace.org
&gt; http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-policy
&gt;


_______________________________________________
policy@madpeace.org
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-policy

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Hi all, just a reminder to meet at 6 pm at Wilmar before the meeting Tues.
X, thanks for your message - bringing hard copies for the resolution
is a great idea.  X said she will post it on "discuss" for review,
which people can subscribe to through the madpeace website.

If anyone can come before 6 pm, I will be there and will be setting up
chairs for the general meeting.  It would be great to have some helpers for
that!

Sarah


_______________________________________________
policy@madpeace.org
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-policy

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&gt; Oodles of experience with the Republican Lady from Florence
&gt; County AND Walmart!

Ugh, please.  Kmart.  I worked for Kmart.  Like I'd ever work for Wal-Mart -
honestly.

Seriously, though - is any of this relevant?  I don't like war, and I
subscribed to this list to see if there were rational alternatives to throw
my weight behind.  If you find it is easier to attack me than my attempts at
rational discussion, so be it.  Or if the point of this list is simply to
agitate against war regardless of the morality or rationality of such
activity, then I will shut up.  Just let me know.

==========================================
X - University of Wisconsin
-&gt; Political Science - Criminal Justice
--&gt; email X
---&gt; visit X
----&gt; PGP OK! - PGP ID: 71CEEC76
------------------------------------------
"You can fool some of the people some of the time and all of the people some
of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time."
- Abraham Lincoln


_______________________________________________
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http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-discuss


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A delegation of RAWA met Mr. Brahmi and his team in Islamabad. RAWA photo

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - U.N. Afghan envoy Lakhdar Brahimi will hold talks today with Afghans arriving from inside the battered country to discuss replacing the Taliban leaders. 

"He will be meeting with Afghans from inside Afghanistan," said U.N. spokesman Eric Falt on Thursday. "We cannot disclose who for obvious reasons." 

Falt said Brahimi also would meet representatives of RAWA, the Revolutionary Afghan Women's Association, a group of Afghan women who have opposed human rights abuses by all military groups in the battered country. 

RAWA has gained fame for sending women on daring missions into the country, photographing Taliban abuses to publicise them to the rest of the world. Pictures of public executions have come almost exclusively from RAWA, which defies the official ban on photography. 

Brahimi had met women working for other non-governmental humanitarian organisations on Wednesday who complained they face abuse under the Taliban. 

.... 





From: http://www.reuters.co.uk 
And http://abcnews.go.com 


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"WFA is greatly troubled by the fact that innocent civilians were killed
here in America on 9-11 and are now being killed in Afghanistan.  We work to
make obsolete such crude, reactionary violence.  Since long before 9-11 we
have advocated -- and made some important progress towards -- a global
intelligence, law enforcement, and court system that would interdict such
global criminals before they act, and then arrest and try in a court-of-law
those who do manage to carry out such crimes.  Lacking such a structural
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to fight it.  If President Bush and other American citizens sincerely want
long-term global security, then we call upon them to join our cause."



_______________________________________________
discuss@madpeace.org mailing list
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-discuss


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              <text> UNFORTUNATELY, YOUR FALLACIOUS ASSUMPTION IS THAT IF WE DO INDEED REFRAIN FROM RETALIATING THAT THE SUB-HUMANS THAT DID THIS WILL STOP ATTACKING US.
 IT'S A NICE THOUGHT. IT'S FAR FROM REALISTIC. YOUR MISTAKE IS ASSUMING THAT THEY OPERATE WITHIN THE SAME LOGICAL BOUNDARIES AS DO WE. IT'S A NICE THOUGHT. IT IS COMPLETELY ERRONEOUS. THE LOWER LIFE FORMS THAT ATTACKED US HAVE SAID IN DOCUMENTED INTERVIEWS THAT THEIR GOAL IS TO BRING ABOUT THE DEMISE OF THE UNITED STATES AS WE KNOW IT. YOU NICE PEOPLE THAT SEND THESE
WELL MEANING ALBEIT NAIVE E-MAILS AROUND FORGET THAT WHEN THEY DO SUCCEED IN DESTROYING OUR WAY OF LIVING, (WHICH THEY WILL ATTEMPT TO DO UNTIL THEY ARE EITHER KILLED BY US OR KILL THEMSELVES IN SOME OTHER DEVASTATING MANNER ON OUR SOIL) THAT THEY WILL COME IN AND THROW YOU A BIG ROLLER SKATING PARTY
AND SHOWER YOU WITH ADULATION IN RETURN FOR YOUR SUPPORT. RIGHT. THEY WILL KILL THE MEN AND THEY WILL STONE THE WOMEN UNTIL THEY BOW DOWN TO WHATEVER THEIR NEANDERTHALIC DESIRES MAY BE. (PROBABLY NOT AN ARGUMENT ABOUT WHOSE TURN IT IS TO DO THE DISHES.) I REALIZE THAT THIS COUNTRY OPERATES ON A CHECK AND BALANCE SYSTEM AND THAT YOU PEOPLE HAVE TAKEN UPON YOURSELVES TO DO THE CHECKING. THIS IS NOT THE TIME, HOWEVER, FOR IN-FIGHTING (WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS THIS HAPPENED) AS OUR COUNTRY NEEDS TO PULL TOGETHER. PLEASE KNOW THE IMPLICATIONS OF YOUR REQUESTS FOR "PEACE" BEFORE YOU START YOUR PARADE AND IN THE MEANTIME, ENJOY THE FREEDOM THAT YOU ARE FIGHTING SO
HARD TO GIVE UP. I WONDER IF OSAMA WILL LET YOU HAVE A PARADE WHEN HE OWNS THE WORLD? HMMM...

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: x
 To: x
 Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 3:06 PM
 Subject: Petition for Peaceful U.S. Response

 Subject: Fwd: Petition for peaceful US response

 Please sign the Petition at http://home.uchicago.edu/~dhpicker/petition
 which appeals to world leaders to be level-headed and, wherever
 possible, peaceful in their response to the recent attack against the
 United States.

PLEASE FORWARD THIS EMAIL TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE, AS QUICKLY AS
 POSSIBLE. The signatures logged by the website above will be forwarded
 to leaders around the world. It is imperative that we act quickly to
 prevent war!!!

 Thank you.
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SHould this perhaps go to the outreach/education committee?  Might I
suggest something broader than just one lecturer?  A panel, perhaps, which
focuses in on the various "trouble spots" in the region, or maybe a panel
discussion which focuses soley on the the relationship of the
Israeli/Palestinian/US conflict and its relationship to the broader
conflict now underway.  Again, one speaker does not a "teach-in" make.

-x
 On
Mon, 22 Oct 2001, x wrote:

&gt; Dear Action and Coordination committees,
&gt;
&gt; The Palestine Right to Return Coalition would like to offer the MAPC
members
&gt; a teach-in on the Palestine/Israel conflict. X, a graduate
&gt; student writing his thesis on the conflict and the founder of Alternative
&gt; Palestinian Agenda, does a 45 minute teach-in that covers the
geographical,
&gt; political, legal, and historical aspect of the conflict.  We believe that
&gt; there will be an interest among MAPC members and that it would benefit
them
&gt; to have a basic understanding of the issue, if they don't already.
&gt;
&gt; Please let me know how this might be set up. I suggest it gets brought up
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&gt; the next general meeting to see how much interest there is, and then we
can
&gt; set a time somehow.
&gt;
&gt; Peace, X
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On Sun, 28 Oct 2001 21:00:11 -0600  "X" wrote:

&gt; 1) Need to book room for next cc meeting.

i'll take care of this.  for future reference, here's how it works:

just send email to X with the following info:

------- Forwarded Message

To: X
Subject: Room request for Memorial Union

Hello,
I'm writing to request a room in the Memorial Union.
Here are the details:

DATE:
TIME:
ATTENDANCE: 12
NAME OF GROUP: Stop the War Student Group
TITU LISTING: MAPC CC Meeting
SPECIAL NEEDS: Wheelchair accessible room, water pitchers and cups.
ROOM SETUP: "Conference" style discussion with table and chairs

If you have any questions, you can reach me via email, or call
262-7892.  Thanks a lot!

------- End of Forwarded Message

if you ever need to do this yourself, just fill in the right date and
time, and send this message.  someone will email you back w/
confirmation stuff (which you don't need, but then you at least know
everything went through ok).

enjoy,
-X

p.s.  just to be clear, i'll take care of it for this week.
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From: madpeace-cc-admin@lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com [mailto:madpeace-cc-admin@lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com]On Behalf Of X
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 1:16 PM
To: coordination@madpeace.org
Cc: X
Subject: [MAPC-coord] Agenda for November 11 CC Meeting

COORDINATING COMMITTEE AGENDA

November 11, 2001

 

 

 

 

1. Introductions &amp; Check-In

2. Additions/Amendments to Agenda

3. Approval of Minutes

4. Mission &amp; Structure of CC

5. Working Group &amp; Caucus Reports/Discussion

6. Action on Proposals from Working Groups/Caucus

7. Planning for General Membership Meeting

a. Location/Facilities

b. Agenda (includes Video Proposal)

c. Facilitators

d. Updated "Welcome" flyer; other preparations

8. Proposal: Donation to Wil-Mar for last general membership meeting

9. Proposal: MAPC/SWAIG Newsletter

10. Proposal: Peace Draft

11. Emergency &amp; proactive actions

12. Adding at-large CC members

13. Planning for Next CC Meeting 

a. Time &amp; Place

b. Facilitator

c. Agenda

My recommendation is that we proceed through the agenda in the order listed (subject of course to change by the body) until 5:50 p.m., at which time we should jump to Item 13 and table any remaining items until next week.
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By using the phrase "sets the politics" we are telegraphing an identity to
the community that is probably less than optimum for a broad based
coalition.  This is kind of a late in the game suggestion, but I don't think
we lose anything by discarding the somewhat lefty-cliched "sets the
politics."  I appreciate that it was the soicalist community that launched
this coalition in the days following 9/11, but let's not lose sight yet of
our desire for a broad appeal.
/s/
X (who is fasting today and obviously grumpy about it already)

-----Original Message-----
From: X
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 1:16 AM
To: coordination@madpeace.org
Subject: Re: [MAPC-coord] First paragraph of CC mission statement


Bravo!

GK

----- Original Message -----
From: "X" &lt;X&gt;
To: &lt;coordination@madpeace.org&gt;
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 1:07 AM
Subject: [MAPC-coord] First paragraph of CC mission statement


&gt; As X stated, the first paragraph was the toughest to write. I think the
&gt; following text flows the best, using X's edits and mine. Any feedback?
&gt;
&gt; The main decision-making body of MAPC is the General Meeting. The General
&gt; Meeting sets the politics and the overall direction of MAPC. The
&gt; Coordinating Committee ensures that the decisions of the General Meeting
are
&gt; implemented. The CC takes its direction from the General Meeting, and is
&gt; accountable to the membership. All decisions made by the CC are subject to
&gt; discussion and review by the General Meeting.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; _______________________________________________
&gt; coordination@madpeace.org
&gt; http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-cc
&gt;


_______________________________________________
coordination@madpeace.org
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-cc


_______________________________________________
coordination@madpeace.org
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-cc


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Sounds like someone needs to reserve a room for the cc meeting, and I think
it may need to be a student.  X or X, can you do this?

x


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&gt;Reply-To: "X" &lt;X&gt;
&gt;To: "X" &lt;X&gt;
&gt;Subject: Re: [MAPC-coord] Next meeting
&gt;Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 14:57:07 -0500
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&gt;I don't think anyone volunteered to do this.  X had done it in the
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&gt;
&gt;I knew how to do it ten years ago, but procedures have likely changed since
&gt;then.
&gt;
&gt;X
&gt;
&gt;----- Original Message -----
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&gt;To: &lt;X&gt;
&gt;Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 12:25 PM
&gt;Subject: Re: [MAPC-coord] Next meeting
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&gt;
&gt; &gt; X, was someone reserving a room? I don't recall... I also don't
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&gt; &gt; how to do this if needed.
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&gt; &gt; X
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
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&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;Next CC meeting is Sunday 4:00 p.m., TITU.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;Minutes are posted at http://madpeace.org/Wiki/MeetingOct21
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;X
&gt; &gt; &gt;
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&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Hello all,
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
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&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; could give me an update about the last meeting that would be great.
&gt; &gt; &gt;Thanks.
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              <text> What to do about Osama bin Laden? The problem is, what do you do with him
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 Kill him -- he becomes a martyr ...
 Don't kill him -- he's a hero to the extremists ...

 Solution:
 Capture him alive, convict him of his crimes, and sentence him to his
 punishment.
 What punishment, you ask?
 A full blown sex change of course!
 And then send him back to his home of Afghanistan to live out the rest of
 his life as a woman under the Taliban government....



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