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Hi all,

If there is one thing that is certain, it is that the resolution will
spark a response. I don't know what the  'progressive alders' have
said about this, but if they suggest that acrimony will ensue if a
resolution is introduced, it probably will.

If it is, in fact, "easy to be quiet and tolerant of the abuses of
the US government," then MAPC could force the issue. A resolution
could be introduced, debate and a vote would follow. It would
generate a lot of attention--much like the pledge flap (which wasn't
a "ban," but that didn't stop it from being reported that way).

I've seen the language of resolution and think that it is pretty
tame, really. But anyone who is committed to precipitating a debate
on this issue in the Madison Common Council should prepare for the
possibility of a media storm and a lot of harsh attention.

My $0.02,
X

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_______________________________________________
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http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-discuss

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So tonight I'm browsing the Defense Dept's photo site, looking for more pics
of military hardware that I can place on trading cards alongside photos of
dead and bleeding Afghans -- and I came across this picture.

It depicts three british Royal Air Force soldiers "show[ing] their support
as
F-15E Strike Eagles and their crew prepare to take off in support of
Operation Enduring Freedom."

The first soldier is distracted by something off-camera.
The second soldier is holding an American flag.
The third soldier is in a Grim Reaper costume, complete with scythe(!).

It's true.  Take a look:

http://jccc.afis.osd.mil/images/sres.pl?Lbox_cap=367610&amp;dir=Photo&amp;vn=&amp;ttl=01
1008-F-3873G-038&amp;ref=defenselink

So evidently the Forces of Goodness do not merely rain down death upon
innocents unconnected with the Pentagon/WTC bombings, but they also
celebrate
it with a costume party?

My mind reels.

- X

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X... I checked out your web site!  Fantastic!  Ambition to
join the FBI and protect innaleckshual proppity when you grow
up.  Oodles of experience with the Republican Lady from Florence
County AND Walmart!  And a serious commitment to something called
"Objectivism," the fundamental tenets of which are to be found
in a couple of ponderous novels written 40 or 50 years ago by
Ayn Rand! 

This message is sort of one of those ad hominem thingies... kind
of a caveat for others on the list with less time for surfage
to consider the source... rilly folks, if you can find the time,
check this guy out at www.execpc.com/~fatboy

Amazing content.

-fp-
&gt;--- Original Message ---
&gt;From: "X" &lt;X&gt;
&gt;To: &lt;discuss@madpeace.org&gt;
&gt;Date: 11/6/01 1:58:01 PM
&gt;

&gt;&gt; Bombing Afghanistan is in NO WAY defending my life.  As far
as I'm
&gt;&gt; concerned, it is further endangering it and every one else
in the world.
&gt;&gt; Killing innocents in Afghanistan or anywhere else is pathetic
and
&gt;&gt; inexcusable.
&gt;
&gt;Well...killing innocents does nothing, obviously - but killing
those who are
&gt;sworn to commit mass murder on us seems to me to be a defensive
measure.
&gt;This doesn't seem like a very fruitful line of moral reasoning.
&gt;
&gt;==========================================
&gt;X
&gt;-&gt; Political Science - Criminal Justice
&gt;--&gt; email X
&gt;---&gt; visit X
&gt;----&gt; PGP OK! - PGP ID: 71CEEC76
&gt;------------------------------------------
&gt;"In no other country in the world is the love of property keener
or more
&gt;alert than in the United States, and nowhere else does the majority
display
&gt;less inclination toward doctrines which in any way threaten
the way property
&gt;is owned."
&gt;- Alexis de Toucqueville
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;_______________________________________________
&gt;discuss@madpeace.org mailing list
&gt;http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-discuss
&gt;
&gt;



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Hi all,

The action committee of the Madison Area Peace Coalition has put a lot of
time and energy into
organizing this event so that it is family-friendly and non-confrontational.
I think we should respect the
wishes of the coalition and the action committee in this matter. People plan
to bring children and the
organizers are putting together activities for the kids. I do not want to
see kids (including my child)
getting pepper sprayed. It's not hard to predict what will happen at the
event if we work together on this
and make a point of NOT performing illegal acts. At the rally, the
organizers will explain the format and
I think we should go with it as a unified group. We can discuss the plan at
tomorrow night's MAPC
general membership meeting so people know what to expect. Performing any
illegal acts and getting
arrested will only serve to marginalize us and cause negative media. This
would be to the detriment of
the coalition and the peace movement as a whole. What we need now more than
ever is to broaden our
base, not weaken it. Arrests would be costly, divisive and
counterproductive. This can be done!  On
September 17th we (pre-MAPC peace organizers) put together a massive peace
rally attended by 800+
people. There was not one incident, not one arrest. We received good media
coverage here in Madison and
throughout the country. WE CAN DO IT.


Peace,
X


-----Original Message-----
From: X
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 10:32 AM
To: X
Cc: X
Subject: Madison - Truax Direct Action Options

Hello,

        I know many people are worried about the "law and order"
response to the Peace Parade scheduled for this coming Sat. (11/17)
at 12:00 Noon outside the gates of Truax Air Force Base near MATC in
Madison.  It is hard to predict what will happen.  Having been in
lots of protests, I tend to prepare for the worst and I would
encourage others to do the same.  No matter what we call the event -
parade, vigil, protest, march, memorial, etc. etc. - the reaction may
be exactly the same by the police.

        In terms of direct action, I agree with many others that the
"least threatening" tactics are preferable.  Personally, I'm not in
favor of blocking the gates, climbing the fence, or otherwise
creating a situation where authorities feel compelled to respond
and/or arrest people.  Of course, they could still pepper spray
someone for merely carrying a bouquet of flowers - such are the times
we live in...

At any rate, three relatively "mellow" and somewhat "fun" direct
action tactics people have been tossing around for Saturday's event
include:

1.) Decorating the fence with statements of resistance, demands for
peace, etc. etc. - this could include poems, quotes, balloons, paper
cranes, posters, large photos of Afghani children, etc. etc.  This
tactic worked very well in Quebec at the FTAA protests and got a lot
of media coverage.

2.) Mock minefield with similar looking "cluster bombs" and "food
packages" strewn along the roadside and entrance that people could
pick up and discover their fate by reading the explanation on the
bottom.  The UW Greens in conjunction with the International Campaing
to Ban Landmines has done similar mock minefields on UW Library Mall
with a good public response.

3.) Propaganda flights with people making paper "F-16s" out of copies
of the UN Declaration of Human Rights, Geneva Convention, photos of
refugees, etc. etc. and tossing them over the fence.  This tactic has
been used by solidarity groups  - a common nickname is the "Zapatista
Airforce."

        At any rate, these "mild" direct action tactics (and possible
others) I hope can be discussed at the Student Youth Caucus meeting
tonight and at the full MAPC meeting tomorrow.  Hopefully, there is
enough space and trust within the coalition umbrella for such
activities to occur.

                                                Thanks - X, Madison
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more info, should have finished reading ALL my emails first.. I guess it;s
up to you...

X

&gt;From: "X" &lt;Xcom&gt;
&gt;Reply-To: communication@madpeace.org
&gt;To: communication@madpeace.org
&gt;Subject: FW: [MAPC-media] RE: RE: [MAPC-com] Afghani is the currency-
&gt;Afghan is the people
&gt;Date: Thu,  8 Nov 2001 13:59:50 -0800
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;And that's the last of this nonsense...
&gt;-fp-
&gt;
&gt; &gt;--- Original Message ---
&gt; &gt;From: "X"
&gt; &gt;Date: 11/8/01 3:55:20 PM
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;X,
&gt; &gt;Didn't mean to bust you on that, but I've heard it both ways
&gt; &gt;with no ethnic sensitivity...
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;"Afghanistan is a land of many ethnic groups, hence many languages.
&gt; &gt;The biggest ethnic group is the Pashtuns, who speak a language
&gt; &gt;called Pashto. Accounts vary as to whether the Pashtuns still
&gt; &gt;constitute an outright majority of the Afghan population. But
&gt; &gt;Pashtun kings ruled Afghanistan (often under heavy British influence)
&gt; &gt;more or less continuously from its founding in 1780 until 1973,
&gt; &gt;when King Zahir Shah was ousted and exiled to Italy. The second-largest
&gt; &gt;ethnic group in Afghanistan is the Tajiks, who speak a variant
&gt; &gt;of Farsi called Dari. Today, Pashto and Dari are the twin official
&gt; &gt;languages of Afghanistan (although many other ethnic groups
&gt;speak
&gt; &gt;many other languages).
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;In Pashto, the word for Afghan is something that sounds very
&gt; &gt;like "Afghan." But in Dari, the word for Afghan is something
&gt; &gt;that sounds very like "Afghani." The same is true in Urdu, which
&gt; &gt;is also spoken in Afghanistan."
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;The above was lifted from Slate on-line, and I'm sorry I can't
&gt; &gt;credit the author.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;Basically I'm sure you're right.  "Afghani" sounds like such
&gt; &gt;an authentic formation that I wouldn't have thought to question
&gt; &gt;it.  And it can't hurt the Madison Area Peace Coalition to remain
&gt; &gt;sensitive to what others would like to hear us call them in
&gt;English!
&gt; &gt; I hope you'll attend the news conference in the Assembly Parlor
&gt; &gt;tomorrow at 10am.
&gt; &gt;X
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;--- Original Message ---
&gt; &gt;&gt;From: "X,  Wisconsin Public Radio--Madiso" &lt;X&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;To: "X" &lt;X&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;Date: 11/8/01 3:40:05 PM
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;X,
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;ooops ! caught red handed padding my sources. I actually have
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;heard only one person explicitly complain about this and I
&gt;don't
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;know her name she was in the audience at either the Central
&gt; &gt;Asian
&gt; &gt;&gt;Seminar I went to at Lowell Hall a couple of weeks ago or the
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;workshop on the Taliban at the South Asian conference also
&gt;a
&gt; &gt;few
&gt; &gt;&gt;weeks agao at Lowell . She identified herself not as an Afghan
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;actually but as being PHD student from Baluchistan , a region
&gt; &gt;and
&gt; &gt;&gt;ethinc group that includes people and land in both Pakistan
&gt; &gt;and
&gt; &gt;&gt;Afghanistan. Neither the Afghan who spoke at the South Asian
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;conference, Zalmay Gulzad ,a professor from Loyola nor the
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;Afghan human rights activist  Belquis Ahmadi who spoke this
&gt; &gt;week
&gt; &gt;&gt;on campus used Afghani to refer to the people from their native
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;land. Both used both  of the two alternatives I suggested.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;Hope this suffices. I am convinced my unidentified source-
&gt;that
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;Baluchi(sic) woman-  is reliable.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;This reminds me of the flap I got into recently over the London
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;Independent's report on specific terrorist threats in Wisconsin.
&gt; &gt; The
&gt; &gt;&gt;reporter Andy Gumble I talked to would not identify his source
&gt; &gt;but
&gt; &gt;&gt;insisted he/she was reliable. The best he could do was tell
&gt; &gt;me
&gt; &gt;&gt;he/she "works with the federal government in a position that
&gt; &gt;would
&gt; &gt;&gt;have access to this information" .
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;So take it with a grain of salt. I do know that the currency
&gt; &gt;is
&gt; &gt;&gt;"Afghani". That you can look up yourself from financial sources
&gt; &gt;on
&gt; &gt;&gt;the web.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;X
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;To:             	halsted@wpr.org
&gt; &gt;&gt;Copies to:      	media@madpeace.org
&gt; &gt;&gt;From:           	"X " &lt;X&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;Subject:        	RE: [MAPC-com] Afghani is the currency- Afghan
&gt; &gt;is the people
&gt; &gt;&gt;Date sent:      	Thu,  8 Nov 2001 13:14:09 -0800
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;X,
&gt; &gt;&gt;Thanks for the input.  I'll be the first to admit that I lack
&gt; &gt;&gt;cultural competence as far as ethnic nomenclature in the peoples
&gt; &gt;&gt;of central and southern Asia.  Just to satisy an old journalist's
&gt; &gt;&gt;curiousity regarding second sourcing the valuable insight you've
&gt; &gt;&gt;provided, would you mind sharing the names and contact info
&gt; &gt;of
&gt; &gt;&gt;some of
&gt; &gt;&gt;the several Afghan people you have heard from? Frank
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;--- Original Message ---
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;From: "X,  Wisconsin Public Radio--Madiso"
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;X&gt; To: media@madpeace.org Date: 11/8/01 1:46:06
&gt; &gt;PM
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;Dear Friends,
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;This is just a friendly correction. I have noticed the use
&gt; &gt;of
&gt; &gt;&gt;the word
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;"Afghani" in some of your leaflets , in particular the Truax
&gt; &gt;&gt;Demo
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;one . This in incorrect and I have heard several Afghan people
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;complain about this usage over the past month . Afghani is
&gt; &gt;what
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;the paper currency used in the county is called. Please try
&gt; &gt;&gt;to use
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;Afghan or Afghans, or "the people of Afganistan ' in future
&gt; &gt;&gt;printed
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;material.
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;X
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;_______________________________________________
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;communication@madpeace.org
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-com
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;_______________________________________________
&gt; &gt;media@madpeace.org
&gt; &gt;Madpeace-media@madpeace.org
&gt; &gt;http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-media
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;_______________________________________________
&gt;
&gt;communication@madpeace.org
&gt;http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-com
&gt;


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Dear policy wonks for peace,
Thought you'd all enjoy this... Yeeeee-haw, let's kick some butt
(nonviolently) on Tues!
-Diane
____________________________________________
X
East Timor Action Network field organizer   ETAN field office
X

Check out these internet sites!
the East Timor Action Network/US      http://www.etan.org
Madison, WI - East Timor projects     http://www.aideasttimor.org
Madison's Social Justice Center       http://www.socialjusticecenter.org

"Independence is not about having a flag, a president, a parliament, a
government. Independence must imply, year by year, gradual change in the
life of the entire population of Timor Lorosa'e. If we fail to effect
change in the daily life of the people, independence will be a meaningless
concept, all our sacrifices throughout the years of the struggle will be in
vain. And not one of us will allow this to occur."
-X


----------
From: X
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:31:08 EST
To: X
Subject: Fwd: from X

Hi Diane,

I wrote to my alder (Jean MacCubbin) as your message suggested and got this
response. Tought you all might be keeping track.

Thanks for your work on this!
Judith

From: "Jean M. MacCubbin, Ald.#11 City of Madison"
&lt;district11@council.ci.madison.wi.us&gt;
Organization: City of Madison Common Council
Date: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 9:03 PM
To: X
Subject: Re: from Judith Siers-Poisson

If it's the one from Madison Peace Coalition, I'll be a co-sponsor. thanks
for
the contact.

X wrote:

&gt; Dear Ms MacCubbin,
&gt;
&gt; I am writing to encourage you strongly to support the "Humanitarian
&gt; Priorities in Afghanistan" resolution scheduled to be discussed and voted
on
&gt; at the November 20 Common Council meeting. As citizens of this nation and
&gt; this city, I feel that we need to clearly express our concern for and
&gt; solidarity with the people of Afghanistan at this time. Please vote in
favor
&gt; of this measure as a tangible expression of our support.
&gt;
&gt; Sincerely,
&gt; X




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 Hey, all.  Sorry about my abrupt departure Sunday.  My sister's been watching my kids for me during meetings, and has other commitments to get to in the evening; don't mean to be rude.I'm writing to do the follow up X requested on the "People for People, People for Peace" event.  I hope this will be a clear and read-able version of what I spewed at you in the meeting, something you can work with and convey to your groups. From all committees we request the following: that anyone and everyone possible make a leafleting piece for the "Information and Inspiration" table.  This is the booth where folks can pick up materials to keep, pass to friends, canvas.  This is all unofficial stuff, not MAPC affiliated, necessarily, but info that people can use for encouragement and proliferation of the peace message.  They can be gentle and non-political, or informative and opinionated, or specifically targeting one problem with the war, etc, etc.  If those doing one of these could bring 20 or so copies to the event, that would be great.  Otherwise, you can attach it in an email to me: X That you support in whatever way possible our campaign to get the word out on this event.  I have some individuals who have volunteered to leaflet, but we may need more help as the event approaches.  I'll keep you posted. Please bring forth suggestions on food donations, musical and kids' acts, and anything else that would help us run this smoothly and make it fun. Additionally, most of you (we hope) will be doing some sort of booth/table for the event. (as suggested below) We have eight tables reserved right now --we will definitely be asking for more.  But, the gist is that you'll all have a six-foot table to work with, and other than that, please see that your information is presented nicely and attractively, perhaps with a sign designating your area, with someone to stand there and be in charge of it! Now, for the individual committee items and efforts that we're requesting... Action:bring materials for a table on upcoming MAPC events, perhaps a sign up sheet for further notification of events, or informative materials -- yours is the most ambiguous.  Use this venue as you see fit...Please keep in mind this is a family affair, and somewhat festive (we hope). Communication: X , this is actually directed at you!  It sounds like you have already covered the committee's bases with the web thing.  So, if you could keep me posted on how the sewing's going, that would be good.  Also, when and where can I get you fabric?  And, just so you know, it sounds like we will have a few seamstresses at the event working on further sewing, so really if you could just get 5 - 10 bags together before the event, that would be great!  And, if you could let me know how long they take to make, so I can get a feel for what we're dealing with.  I may also ask you to be the "advisor" to the sewing table, in the very beginning, since you will have already had some experience with the sewing.  Let me know if you are comfortable with this role.  Would you want to bring your machine to the event? Arts and Culture:We will continue organizing volunteers from the coalition (largely unaffiliated with committees -- off the volunteer sheets), seeking acts and music, finding donations, and overseeing the sweeping organization.  We will plan and create decorations, come up with a floor plan, and signs to designate some of the areas for the "fair"-type environment inside the venue.  We will oversee the peace quilt project, and the other art projects for kids there.  We will create a better flyer for the major distribution of info -- although, if anyone can help with this, it would be sooo appreciated. Finance/Fundraising:Bring your buttons!  Make a nice little set up for them, etc.  Bring the art and info for the art auction???Also, if you could get us that tax exempt # ASAP, we really need it!!! Outreach/Education:Please help with getting the information out to organizations, in church's agendas and bulletins, in school buildings, at pre-schools, to the girl scouts, and the YMCA, etc, etc.  Keep us posted on how that's going, if you can!  You can use the flyer that you have now until we develop a better one (hopefully by the end of this week).Also, can you develop or put together some materials on the refugees we're actually helping?the "this is who you're helping" theme.  If you could make this booth rather catchy, with pictures, a sign with the suggested phrase "this is who you're helping...", etc.  I have an article that I'll give to someone on your committee at the GM meeting. International Solidarity:If you could do a booth on the international anti-war movement, that would be wonderful.  I"m thinking articles and pictures from the foreign press....  Make it catchy, give it a cool title and sign, so that people can see what it is from a distance.  Also, if you guys could commit, say three or four people to work the event, that would be so great!!!  If anyone has cars and can pick up food donations on the way, that's even better!!!! Labor and Student Caucuses:Please get the word out to your people!!!  Please consider putting together some kind of booth as you see fit for this venue.  Please encourage your special "spokespeople" (from the students, from the labor contingency) to voice their opinions for the Information and Inspiration table by creating a canvasing piece. Media:Please contact the normal sources: newspapers, radio, TV, etc, and get the event in the community calendars.  We can talk more about what, exactly should go in there, but I think you all know what is appropriate for these situations, so maybe it would be best for you to take the info from the flyer attached here, from the webpage postings, and from what you see here to explain what the event is all about.  The donation info (what we're looking for) is pretty important, if it can fit.  Otherwise, e-mail (mine?) and web address can be used as info sources for those with questions.I thought you may also want to see if WORT wanted to collaborate with you on a booth on free press for the event.  Just an idea. That should be all for now.  Attached is the preliminary flyer (very rough, the one you have, more or less) for the event.  I will bring copies to the GM meeting as well.  We need to develop something better for the mass distribution. Thanks so, so much!  Please contact me with any questions, concerns, problems, or criticisms.See you Tues.X
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Hi everyone!

If you've been spending money on MAPC work, and need to be reimbursed,
please submit your receipts to your committee's Outie as soon as possible,
so that the Outie can get them to the Co-Treasurers.  Be sure to include
your mailing address so we can send a check to you.

The Coordinating Committee will be setting new budgets for each Working
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already been spent, and how much we have left to allocate.

Thanks,
XX
Co-Treasurer


_______________________________________________
policy@madpeace.org
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-policy

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Hey Sarah!
I've not read this all the way thru yet (too long)
Good luck w/ project (again)
x

From: x
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 00:12:40 EDT
To: x
Subject: Fwd: some thoughts from Europe

Dear Friends, 
This is an email I received from my friend, x.  It is one of the most beautiful and thoughful letters I have read about our recent tragedy. Please take a few moments to read it. 
Mark 
From: x
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 23:56:46 EDT
To: x
Subject: some thoughts from Europe



Dear Friends, 
  
An interesting, thought-provoking, genuine letter that has been pssed on to me from my brother in law.  It expresses many of the sentiments and feelings that Jan and I feel at the moment.  
  
It puts into perspective a point of view that many who live "womb to tomb" within the borders of the USA, who neither have traveled outside USA boundaries or possessions nor choose to be exposed to or educated in other cultures, mores, or customs, need to hear and read.  
  
x 
  

  

  

Subject: Healing and Reeling Here in Germany 
  
Probably a lot of these emails floating around -- from friends and family reporting on their personal experiences and feelings.  Thought you might benefit from one more . . . 





Hello All, 

I guess it's time that I, myself, take up the call to get back to work, to reconnect with the people and the unfolding days and the functions that, despite my stubborn wishes to the contrary, move on with relentless insensitivity.  I am grateful that one of my constant functions involves communication with all of you, and I'd like to kick back in with my "weekly" by sharing with all of you some of my own thoughts, written to the background sounds of military jets zooming through the airspace above my head, a routine here in Germany and it is, after all, a Wednesday when one can depend on hearing their ear-piercing wails through the air.  Maybe you're getting used to them as well in your neck of the woods.  We can call this installment "Thoughts from A Broad Abroad" or something of that nature.  We must inject some levity whenever we can, don't you think? 

I was of course shocked by what happened on September 11, and by what continues to happen to all of us.  As many are discovering, myself included, September 11 was just the first slap in the face, the first kick in the gut, and I fell to my knees with it, doubled over with pain and confusion.  Over the past couple of weeks I've been kicked while I was down, though, and instead of finding a gentle soul to share in my dismay, to soothe my wounds and tell me that everything would be OK, I've found many souls chastising us for our arrogance and ignorance as Americans.  "This is a result of US policies," some say, and "You really need, as a country, to reexamine yourselves and try to uncover the source of why you are so despised in the world."  Heady stuff, 
uttered gently enough from the comfort of Western European minds and homes. 

But I refuse, as the victim, to be blamed for my stupidity in participating in the global society.  I refuse to be blamed for being born into a family and a culture who raised me to believe that, if you worked hard enough, most things are within your reach.  I refuse to believe that it is wrong to think for oneself, to invent, to create, to prosper, and through that prosperity to affect the world with my perspective.  Perhaps it's the American in me which causes me to stubbornly stick to my cultural principles and values. 

I keep asking, and believe me folks I've engaged more than a few in heated conversations over this, "What exactly does the world want from us?"  I'm here, aren't I?  Living in another country, immersing myself and my precious children in another culture, trusting that culture to somehow take care with us, in its own way, of course.  It hasn't been easy, but we're bravely trudging on.  We're learning a new language, we're contributing economically, and I believe socially, to our local culture, possibly influencing families in this town where parents, children, even grandparents are born, live out their entire lives, and when they die are buried in the local cemetery.  So much for THEIR world view.  I'd stack mine against theirs any day.  How much more understanding do they want us to have?  We're living it, folks, we're not just giving lip service to this grandiose plan of learning to live together, of learning to understand each other better. 

What more does the global community want from us as a country?  Even before all of this happened to us, creating an almost obsessive interest in the politics and policies of Afghanistan, the USA was the single greatest monetary contributor to the Afghan refugees, giving 140 million dollars per year.  With the great confusion that followed and the mass exodus of civilians-turned-refugees in the days following the September 11 attacks, the US emergency gave 2 million dollars more.  Does this not demonstrate, in clear living color, how Americans can rise above their own raw grief and realize that others are suffering, creating more of an outflow of resources, American tax dollars, when the human instinct would be to hunker down and hold everything closer to the chest?  In my mind, that one discrete gesture says it all, says what we're about, says what we're capable of.  For every way we might misunderstand the world outside of our borders, there are multitudes of ways that we ourselves are misunderstood.  I feel at times that we are looked upon as the recalcitrant adolescent;  others believe that everything is black and white for us, right and wrong, no gray, no shades of doubt, and sometimes I think the rest of the world sees this tragedy as a wonderful opportunity to educate us about how we've misbehaved, to show us how we haven't grasped the gestalt.  They, the world, will use their infinite wisdom and experience to get us on the right path.  We are, after all they say, not rotten to the core.  We're just in need of a guiding hand.  How did we get to be the bad guys in all of this, anyway? 

These are the same people who en masse are sitting on the edges of their chairs, watching what US markets will do, because the rest of the world markets follow suit.  These are the same people who are lamenting the prospects of significantly fewer American dollars pumped into their tourism trade.  These are the same people who are taking measures to devalue their own currencies against the American dollar because they know that our fickle, funky US economy, strong as it is, is based solidly on our ability to consume, and our ability to consume is vital to their own economies.  How puzzling, but so far it's worked.  These are the same people who are now saying "Your CIA created bin Laden," yet they chastised us over 10 years ago for not becoming involved, because we were strong enough to do so, in helping the Afghani people's fight against the great intruder, the USSR.  These are the same people who dragged their feet in Boznia-Herzgovenia, Armenia and the like, while ethnic cleansing was occurring under their noses.  They didn't hesitate to lambaste us for not getting involved then, either; we are, after all, the "World's only remaining superpower," whatever that means; it's a dubious distinction and likely in this day and age to get you criticized from all angles.  I ask again, what do they want from us? 

I'm not saying we can't do better.  I've certainly not been supportive of a number of US domestic and foreign policies.  I know we can give more and consume less.  I'm also saying, however, that their timing is all wrong.  It's never time to repair the tendon or bone when the heart has been ripped apart, as it was when we were the target of such hatred and malice on September 11.  I will not be denied my time to mourn and then to be angry;  I hope I can make my way eventually to resolution.  But I must pay attention just now to my heart and to my soul, guard against their being strained and drained, gangrenous and necrotic, and against them turning away from the rest of the world.  They can save their lecture on the myriad of deficiencies present in US foreign policy for a less wounded, more malleable soul; perhaps for a fanatic patron of Islam. 

I halfway joked with Rex soon after the attacks that what I felt like doing, as a US national, was to draw into myself and my country, wall myself and my family off from the rest of the world.  "We have beaches," I said. "We have mountains and ski areas and Grand Canyons, deserts and national parks.  We even have a volcano."  I felt like closing the borders, closing down the airspace, quitting the travel to anywhere except to where American flags are proudly flown, staying within our borders.  Spending our money at home, giving only to our own sick and wounded and homeless.  If they don't want us, if they're scared of what we'll do, of how we'll act, of our impulsiveness, perhaps this solution would work for us all.  But then I don't think Americans can possibly turn their backs, bear the deaf ear.  We care too much.  We have too much of an interest in others, too much empathy for the suffering of others.  I guess we are somewhat childlike in that regard; we're not the jaded cynics in our approach to the rest of the world.  We trust in and take delight in a lot of what life has to offer.  At least we did before. 

We even make jokes at times like these, as kids do.  I heard today that our conditions to the Taliban should include the following:  "Turn over Osama bin Laden or we'll take all your women and send them to college."  Which brings me to my most heartfelt points about what I feel now should take place. 
  
I've never had any respect for the Taliban and it's policies.  Being involved with an organization like Planned Parenthood as I was, the worsening conditions of women around the globe have always been front page and center for me.  Very important stuff.  I had a discussion with one of my sisters once about how I was always on my guard not to be ethnocentric, and to respect and try to understand and value other cultures, to not judge the behaviors of a culture based on my own cultural beliefs and upbringing.  I learned this concept, after all, in college.  It must be the right thing to believe. 

Paraphrasing and with removal of expletives, my sister responded.  "Yeah," she said, "I used to believe that stuff too.  But then I thought, 'forget it' with regard to the status of women.  I'm not going to stand by and watch my sisters suffer at the hands of an oppressive culture imposed by men without getting vocal about it.  They've used it as an excuse for too long.  Forget them, and forget that."  
  
I took her words to heart;  they made sense to me, and I internalized them and embraced them as my own.  And now I don't care what horse you rode in on, there's no excuse for extreme, or otherwise, oppression of women using your religion or your culture or your concept of beauty as an excuse.  This applies to the Taliban policies of course, and as I said, I've known about the Taliban since they placed themselves in power in 1996.  I've seen this coming for a long time, and I know with all my heart that we need to get rid of the problem. 

Now I don't condone going in and dropping bombs on these people, not because of some sanctimonious, altruistic reason, but because I don't think it'll work and I have 2 sons and I'd just as soon not enter into a world war now, or ever.  It has the potential to be just that, especially if we react the way Osama bin Laden thinks we will.  I do see the Taliban as an ugly, cancerous growth that needs to be cut out, removing its sickening, parasitical influence over the Afghani people.  Afghanistan has cancer.  it is called the Taliban.  Afghanistan needs a cure.  Maybe we can help. 

I also believe that Teddy Roosevelt had it right when he said, "Speak softly and carry a big stick."  I think we've already extended the stick 1/2 way across the world by deploying aircraft, ships and troops to the area.  All of Afghanistan's borders are closed.  I say we just hover, keep them off balance by the mere size and impressiveness of our forces, and wait for them to wither away.  One of the volumes of email which came my way and which I've shared with many of you, written by an Afghani-American, asked "Do we have the stomach for the fight?"  I don't think I've got much of a stomach for the actual fight, but I do have the stomach for starving them out.  It sounds cruel and doesn't solve the problem of the suffering of innocents, but then we didn't create the suffering.  Maybe we contributed to it somewhat in the past, but let's face it, the Taliban is responsible for their suffering now, and it will willingly and intentionally place them in harm's way; they've demonstrated this over and over.  They've chased every legitimate aid worker out of the country, cut off all lines of communication, making using cell phones or any satellite communication within the country a crime punishable by death, and they've confiscated all of the WFO's food stores, no doubt stuffing themselves with it and lining their underground lairs with it like the rats that they are.  Now they're waiting for us to fire the first shot. And I KNOW that once we've made an aggressive move, the tenuous world support for us will crumble away until we're left standing alone.  It always happens. 

But if we just stay behind the lines the world has drawn for us, international waters, borrowed airspace, if we just hold that ground and look big and bad and mad, and if we don't fire a shot until, if it comes to that, one is fired at us, and if we just wait and be patient and strong, perhaps we can starve them out.  And when they raise their angry fists at us and profess to the world how unreasonable we are and how we hate Islam and look what we're doing to them, we can just look around incredulously and say, "Who, us? What'd WE do?" 

Millions will starve, millions will suffer.  They've been suffering for a long time.  I read something very enlightening a few days after the September 11 attacks.  A reporter interviewed a woman on the streets of Kabul.  She was using the last of her meager savings to buy food for her 6 children, believing there would soon be another war, bombs on the way, from the USA. The reporter asked if she was frightened, if she was fearful of what would become of herself and her family.  Stupid question, but her reply was quite telling.  "My life has been without hope for so long," she murmured from behind her burka, "that the greatest hope I have now is that I can die with my children." 

Oh, my!  To feel that hopeless, that bereft of any possibilities of any kind. To feel to that degree such a pariah in your own culture.  To feel that unwanted, that uncared for, like a piece of garbage in the street.  Perhaps my European friends are right.  I cannot fathom the depths of that despair. I have no room in my heart for the hatred some of the men in their society feel for Americans and our way of life.  Oh Lord, I pray keep me arrogant enough to always believe I'm worth more than that;  keep me ignorant enough to never have to experience emotions such as these.  I would not ever in my wildest nightmares want to experience that pain, the prospect of having no hope for myself or for my children. 

Has anyone else noticed, as the pickup trucks present themselves at the Pakistani borders filled with refugees, that there are no women, and very few children, among them.  They are filled with all males all the time.  I'm not mistaken, because they've made their women easy enough to pick out of a crowd;  they're the ones behind the veils.  They are the walking dead. 

The Taliban is a cancer.  The treatments, even my "non-violent" ones, require some destruction of the good along with the diseased.  I believe in military terms it is called "collateral damage."  I am so sorry for this.  Even more so that so many of the good are my global sisters and children.  That always happens with war and strife of any kind.  Before the Taliban these women were news anchors, housewives, bankers, engineering students.  Now they are less than nothing and they have no hope.  What can I do about that?  Someone tell me, please. 

I guess I still hold out a hope for the liberation of the Afghanistan women. I continue to be infuriated with the Taliban, and I for one want Osama bin Laden's head on a platter.  I'm not exaggerating.  I say again that I'm supportive of how we've reacted, in fact I'm very proud of us.  I think the world at large is a little surprised and caught off guard by our restraint in action and focus and success in investigating.  That's just how I want them. 

They've misjudged us because they don't know us, and they really don't trust us.  Their loss, the snobs, our righteous gain in the worlds' view of us.  I just hope they don't come 'round here later, looking for a bone.  Them days is over, by my account.  But then I'm not in charge, and that's probably a good thing. 

As you can read, guess you've realized I'm fully in my anger phase of dealing with this.  It'll pass, to be sure, and I guess we'll all be friends again, but right now my rage fairly energizes me.  Therapy for the soul.  I do hope, since most of you are Americans, that you're finding your way through this as well, and I hope that this email finds you healthy and psychologically on the mend.  I send my love to you across the ocean.  x 
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1) i got about 5 volunteers for the labor caucus at the last mapc
   meeting.

2) the next south central federation of labor (scfl) meeting is this
   monday.  i'll make an announcement there about the mapc-labor
   caucus, and solicit other volunteers.  also, i'll make another plea
   for if there are union locals interested in joining mapc to do so
   (and talk to me for help with it).

3) i requested a labor@madpeace.org list be created by the
   communications group.

4) at the next ufas meeting (date yet to be determined), i'll
   introduce gillam's proposals for fundraising from our local.

no other requests to or from other committies at this time.  o+e
should just be aware of my outreach efforts to the labor community, so
they can focus on other things.


 In solidarity,

X
International Socialist Organization    (www.socialistworker.org)
United Faculty and Academic Staff, AFT Local 223   (www.ufas.org)


_______________________________________________
coordination@madpeace.org
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-cc

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Communication Committee Report

1) The database itself is constructed. Work on the Join form is continuing.
The free form fields of "other" for volunteer activities and "I belong to
the following groups" will not lend themselves to being queried against.
This means that anyone looking for specific information will have to read
through all the records in the db to obtain it.  The db can be initiated as
is, and we can look for a better solution later, when we are more able to
assess what query and information needs there will be.  Maintenance and
query tools also need to be created.  These tools will need password
protection.  Completing the db is the top priority for the Communications
Committee.

2) The committee mail list moderation is becoming cumbersome.  Emails
require moderation for 4 reasons. A) Porn (not a lot)  b) from someone not
on the mailing list c) too many addressees or d) trying to send too big a
file.  We had discussion on perhaps having each committee assign someone to
do their own moderation, or, turning moderation off altogether.  We decided
to leave it as is for now, and are looking into some other options that may
solve some of these problems.  New mail lists still need to be created for
the students and the yet unnamed world committee.  This should be done
shortly.

3) Website issues: We discussed some improvements needed.  A)  We will add a
page for Printable Materials, so the posters for events can be posted there
so members can get them and print them themselves.  The problem today is
everything is dropped off downtown or campus for pickup, and we are missing
opportunities for people to poster the outskirts on their own because they
don't want to go downtown to pick them up.  B) We will create a link on the
navigation bar for In the Press, and look to having articles about MAPC etc
scanned in and posted there.  C) We will look into password protecting some
of the Wiki pages, so they can't be changed once they're posted (such as
fundraising, meeting minutes, press releases).  D) We will work on FAQ
pages, both external (people wanting to learn about MAPC) and internal
(people in MAPC wanting to know how to do things - could be web related or
not - example, how to reserve a room in TITU).

4) We have a proposal: There is no contact info on the web site on how to
contact MAPC in general.  We are proposing to create an email link to
contact MAPC, and have this email go to the Coordinating Committee.  The CC
members could pick up and answer these emails as appropriate.  For example,
someone might ask about an upcoming event, and the outie of the committee
sponsoring the event could respond.

Peace,
X







_______________________________________________
coordination@madpeace.org
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-cc

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complained there. I complained here in Washington... to the Inspector
General and to Diplomatic Security and I was ignored." He added: "What I was
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Laden to come back to the United States for
training to be used in the war in Afghanistan against the then-Soviets."
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Youth (WAMY), which the programme said was a suspected terrorist
organization.

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relative, Omar, also an FBI suspect, in Falls Church, Virginia, a suburb of
Washington.

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blocks down the road was a place listed by four of the alleged September 11
hijackers as their address.

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Published on Saturday, November 10, 2001 in The Times of London

Chelsea Joins the Hecklers at Rally by Glen Owen

CHELSEA CLINTON was among a group of American students which disrupted an
anti-war meeting in Oxford, it was revealed last night.

Frustrated at anti-American feeling, the daughter of the former President
arrived at the 500-strong meeting in Oxford Town Hall with a dozen friends
who heckled speakers.

Miss Clinton, a postgraduate student in international relations at
University College, Oxford, her father's alma mater, has confessed that she
is feeling isolated and threatened by the mood she has detected at the
university. She found it difficult encountering "anti-American feeling" from
peace demonstrators.

As soon as last Thursday's meeting, organized by the Oxford Stop the War
Coalition, began, members of her mostly American group shouted patriotic
slogans from the back. Speakers were prevented from continuing after other
young Americans approached them and unfurled a Stars and Stripes flag.

Chris Harman, editor of Socialist Worker, said: "When the group turned up I
thought, oh no, we're going to have some rugby-type fracas, but luckily it
was nothing like that." The flag-bearers were eventually sent back to their
seats by a 76-year-old American woman called Barbara, an Oxford resident.

Katy Beinart, a student CND member who spoke at the meeting, said that Miss
Clinton had arrived "making a lot of noise".

When John Haylett, editor of the Morning Star, began to argue that the media
had failed to consider the effects of the bombing on Afghan civilians, Miss
Clinton and her friends called out that he should remember the victims of
the terrorist attacks on New York. Mr Haylett responded that such meetings
were the only way to put an alternative viewpoint to that portrayed in the
media.

Miss Clinton left with her Secret Service bodyguards shortly afterwards,
stopping to buy a copy of the Morning Star from a vendor, and making "yet
more noise", according to Ms Beinart. "It was a shame that Chelsea Clinton
felt the need to interrupt a peaceful discussion with what I felt were
inappropriate comments," she said.

Speakers at the meeting, including the MP Jeremy Corbyn, said yesterday that
Miss Clinton took their comments too personally.

Copyright 2001 Times Newspapers Ltd.





_______________________________________________
discuss@madpeace.org mailing list
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-discuss


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Just a quick note,

-The item of Being proactive for emergency acttions actually is incorrect;
it
should be: "Actions: emergencies and proactive actions (two different types)

-Having the fast proposed be included in GM agenda

-Building infrastructure within all working groups -- send request to all?


See y'all,
X

X wrote:

&gt; Fellow outies,
&gt;
&gt; Here is what I have so far for agenda.  These are mostly left from the
last
&gt; meeting.  If you have additional items, please send to me by Sunday noon
or
&gt; bring with you to the meeting.  These are not in any particular order at
&gt; this point.
&gt;
&gt; - Purpose/mission for cc (bring your proposals)
&gt; - Approval of previous meeting minutes (may be moot point as they are
posted
&gt; already)
&gt; - Additional at large members selection (bring your proposals)
&gt; - GM meeting - select facilitators
&gt; - GM meeting - prepare agenda
&gt; - GM meeting - seems like location will be back up for discussion
&gt; - GM meeting - how much should we pay for meeting space
&gt; - Being proactive for emergency actions
&gt; - Funding (not sure of the exact issue, left from last meeting)
&gt; - International Solidarity
&gt;
&gt; I had an action item to compose a Welcome document to distribute at the
&gt; meeting, I will bring this for commentary.
&gt;
&gt; We will need someone to take notes.  I can bring my laptop, but won't be
&gt; able to both take notes and facilitate at the same time.
&gt;
&gt; X, do you have another outie from Arts that needs to get added to
this
&gt; mail list?  Otherwise, please pass on to whomever will be representing
Arts
&gt; at the meeting.
&gt;
&gt; peace,
&gt; X
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Hello Peace-Workers,

The fundraising committee needs an art auction coordinator.

We have a date (12/2) and a place (Mother Fool's) but alas, no art 
and no one to coordinate the getting, delivering and promoting of art 
and it's auction.

Anyone from any committee could do this job - we have a great 
opportunity and it is already being advertised. I'd hate to see it go 
to waste!

Artists are encouraged to donate a piece of their work - art lovers 
are encouraged to donate something they can part with for a good 
cause, and even someone not interested in art but interested in 
fundraising for MAPC could get involved in coordinating this event!

Without fundraising no one can get reimbursed for copying costs and 
equipment rentals, or any other costs incurred producing our events. 
Please help raise money with us.

In solidarity,
X - fundraising "innie" and co-treasurer

_______________________________________________
discuss@madpeace.org mailing list
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-discuss

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Dear X,

I'm refering this to you since I know you have a cell phone and I suspect
you'll be at the rally Saturday.
I got a call from X (can't find her last name) - one of the people on
her way to Georgia.  They would like to call us at the rally on Saturday
and give us a live update of what's going on so we can announce it. They
are going to be using the following cell phone: XXX-XXX-XXXX.  A guy called
X might answer it (I guess it's his phone).
Could you please call them at that number or at X home number at
XXX-XXXX and let them know if they can call you Saturday?

thanks,
X

p.s. could my name be taken off from the web site and from future meetings
as the outie for Action, since I really do not attend meeting regularly and
I cannot give out accurate information? thanks.



_______________________________________________
coordination@madpeace.org
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-cc

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              <text> Hey Sarah,

 Many thanks for the e-mail. Hope things are coming together in the edit. I
 look forward to seeing the fruits of our labor.
 I thought you'd be interested in reading this different perspective on what
 or who this evil is that has arrived at our doorstep. Pass it on. People
 should begin to question this.
 All the best,
 Hugh

 GROUND ZERO AND THE SAUDI CONNECTION
 Stephen Schwartz on the extreme Islamic sect that inspires Osama  bin Laden as well as all Muslim suicide bombers   and is subsidised by Saudi Arabia



 By Stephen Schwartz



 Washington



 The first thing to do when trying to understand Islamic suicide bombers is
 to forget the clich about the Muslim taste for martyrdom. It does exist, of
 course, but the desire for paradise is not a safe guide to what motivated the
 appalling suicide attacks on New York and Washington last week. Throughout
 history, political extremists of all faiths have willingly given up their
 lives simply in the belief that by doing so, whether in bombings or in other
 forms of terror, they would change the course of history, or at least win an
 advantage for their cause. Tamils are not Muslims, but they blow themselves
 up in their war on the government of Sri Lanka; Japanese kamikaze pilots in
 the second world war were not Muslims, but they flew their fighters into US
 aircraft carriers.

The Islamofascist ideology of Osama bin Laden and those closest to him,
 such as the Egyptian and Algerian Islamic Groups, is no more intrinsically
 linked to Islam or Islamic civilisation than Pearl Harbor was to Buddhism, or
 Ulster terrorists  whatever they may profess  are to Christianity. Serious
 Christians dont go around killing and maiming the innocent; devout Muslims do
 not prepare for paradise by hanging out in strip bars and getting drunk, as
 one of last weeks terrorist pilots was reported to have done.

The attacks of 11 September are simply not compatible with orthodox Muslim
 theology, which cautions soldiers in the way of Allah to fight their enemies
 face-to-face, without harming non-combatants, women or children. Most
 Muslims, not only in America and Britain, but in the world, are clearly
 law-abiding citizens of their countries  a point stressed by President Bush
 and other American leaders, much to their credit. Nobody on this side of the
 water wants a repeat of the lamented 1941 internment of Japanese Americans.


Still, the numerical preponderance of Muslims as perpetrators of these
 ghastly incidents is no coincidence. So we have to ask ourselves what has
 made these men into the monsters they are? What has so galvanised violent
 tendencies in the worlds second-largest religion (and, in America, the
 fastest growing faith)? Can it really flow from a quarrel over a bit of land
 in the Middle East?

For Westerners, it seems natural to look for answers in the distant past,
 beginning with the Crusades. But if you ask educated, pious, traditional but
 forward-looking Muslims what has driven their umma, or global community, in
 this direction, many of them will answer you with one word: Wahhabism. This
 is a strain of Islam that emerged not at the time of the Crusades, nor even
 at the time of the anti-Turkish wars of the 17th century, but less than two
 centuries ago. It is violent, it is intolerant, and it is fanatical beyond
 measure. It originated in Arabia, and it is the official theology of the Gulf
 states. Wahhabism is the most extreme form of Islamic fundamentalism, and its followers are called Wahhabis.

 Not all Muslims are suicide bombers, but all Muslim suicide bombers are
 Wahhabis  except, perhaps, for some disciples of atheist leftists posing as
 Muslims in the interests of personal power, such as Yasser Arafat or Saddam
 Hussein. Wahhabism is the Islamic equivalent of the most extreme Protestant
 sectarianism. It is puritan, demanding punishment for those who enjoy any
 form of music except the drum, and severe punishment up to death for drinking or sexual transgressions. It condemns as unbelievers those who do not pray, a view that never previously existed in mainstream Islam.



 It is stripped-down Islam, calling for simple, short prayers, undecorated
 mosques, and the uprooting of gravestones (since decorated mosques and
 graveyards lend themselves to veneration, which is idolatry in the Wahhabi
 mind). Wahhabis do not even permit the name of the Prophet Mohammed to be inscribed in mosques, nor do they allow his birthday to be celebrated. Above all, they hate ostentatious spirituality, much as Protestants detest the
veneration of miracles and saints in the Roman Church.

Ibn Abdul Wahhab (170392), the founder of this totalitarian Islamism, was
born in Uyaynah, in the part of Arabia known as Nejd, where Riyadh is today,
and which the Prophet himself notably warned would be a source of corruption and confusion. (Anti-Wahhabi Muslims refer to Wahhabism as fitna an Najdiyyah or the trouble out of Nejd.) From the beginning of Wahhabs dispensation, in the late 18th century, his cult was associated with the mass murder of all who opposed it. For example, the Wahhabis fell upon the city of Qarbala in 1801 and killed 2,000 ordinary citizens in the streets and markets.

In the 19th century, Wahhabism took the form of Arab nationalism v. the
Turks. The founder of the Saudi kingdom, Ibn Saud, established Wahhabism as its official creed. Much has been made of the role of the US in creating
Osama bin Laden through subsidies to the Afghan mujahedin, but as much or
more could be said in reproach of Britain which, three generations before,
supported the Wahhabi Arabs in their revolt against the Ottomans. Arab hatred of the Turks fused with Wahhabi ranting against the decadence of Ottoman Islam. The truth is that the Ottoman khalifa reigned over a multinational Islamic umma in which vast differences in local culture and tradition were tolerated. No such tolerance exists in Wahhabism, which is why the concept ofUS troops on Saudi soil so inflames bin Laden.



 Bin Laden is a Wahhabi. So are the suicide bombers in Israel. So are his
 Egyptian allies, who exulted as they stabbed foreign tourists to death at
 Luxor not many years ago, bathing in blood up to their elbows and emitting
 blasphemous cries of ecstasy. So are the Algerian Islamist terrorists whose
 contribution to the purification of the world consisted of murdering people
 for such sins as running a movie projector or reading secular newspapers. So
 are the Taleban-style guerrillas in Kashmir who murder Hindus. The Iranians
 are not Wahhabis, which partially explains their slow but undeniable movement towards moderation and normality after a period of utopian and puritan revivalism. But the Taleban practise a variant of Wahhabism. In the Wahhabifashion they employ ancient punishments  such as execution for moral offences and they have a primitive and fearful view of women. The same is true of Saudi Arabias rulers. None of this extremism has been inspired by American fumblin!

gs in the world, and it has little to do with the tragedies that have beset
Israelis and Palestinians.



 But the Wahhabis have two weaknesses of which the West is largely unaware; an Achilles heel on each foot, so to speak. The first is that the vast
 majority of Muslims in the world are peaceful people who would prefer the
 installation of Western democracy in their own countries. They loathe
 Wahhabism for the same reason any patriarchal culture rejects a violent break
 with tradition. And that is the point that must be understood: bin Laden and
 other Wahhabis are not defending Islamic tradition; they represent an
 ultra-radical break in the direction of a sectarian utopia. Thus, they are
 best described as Islamofascists, although they have much in common with
 Bolsheviks.



 The Bengali Sufi writer Zeeshan Ali has described the situation touchingly:
 Muslims from Bangladesh in the US, just like any other place in the world,
 uphold the traditional beliefs of Islam but, due to lack of instruction, keep
 quiet when their beliefs are attacked by Wahhabis in the US who all of a
 sudden become better Muslims than others. These Wahhabis go even further and accuse their own fathers of heresy, sin and unbelief. And the young childrenof the immigrants, when they grow up in this country, get exposed only to this one-sided version of Islam and are led to think that this is the only
Islam. Naturally a big gap is being created every day that silence is only
widening. The young, divided between tradition and the call of the new, opt
for Islamic revolution and commit themselves to their self-destruction,
combined with mass murder.



 The same influences are brought to bear throughout the ten-million-strong
 Muslim community in America, as well as those in Europe. In the US, 80 per
 cent of mosques are estimated by the Sufi Hisham al-Kabbani, born in Lebanon and now living in the US, to be under the control of Wahhabi imams, who preach extremism, and this leads to the other point of vulnerability:
Wahhabism is subsidised by Saudi Arabia, even though bin Laden has sworn to destroy the Saudi royal family. The Saudis have played a double game for
years, more or less as Stalin did with the West during the second world war.
They pretended to be allies in a common struggle against Saddam Hussein while they spread Wahhabi ideology everywhere Muslims are to be found, just as Stalin promoted an antifascist coalition with the US while carrying out
espionage and subversion on American territory. The motive was the same: the belief that the West was or is decadent and doomed.



 One major question is never asked in American discussions of Arab
 terrorism: what is the role of Saudi Arabia? The question cannot be asked
 because American companies depend too much on the continued flow of Saudi oil, while American politicians have become too cosy with the Saudi rulers.



 Another reason it is not asked is that to expose the extent of Saudi and
 Wahhabi influence on American Muslims would deeply compromise many Islamic clerics in the US. But it is the most significant question Americans should
 be asking themselves today. If we get rid of bin Laden, who do we then have to deal with? The answer was eloquently put by Seyyed Vali Reza Nasr,
 professor of political science at the University of California at San Diego,
 and author of an authoritative volume on Islamic extremism in Pakistan, when
 he said: If the US wants to do something about radical Islam, it has to deal
 with Saudi Arabia. The rogue states [Iraq, Libya, etc.] are less important in
 the radicalisation of Islam than Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is the single
 most important cause and supporter of radicalisation, ideologisation, and the
 general fanaticisation of Islam.



 From what we now know, it appears not a single one of the suicide pilots
 in New York and Washington was Palestinian. They all seem to have been
 Saudis, citizens of the Gulf states, Egyptian or Algerian. Two are reported
 to have been the sons of the former second secretary of the Saudi embassy in Washington. They were planted in America long before the outbreak of the
 latest Palestinian intifada; in fact, they seem to have begun their
 conspiracy while the Middle East peace process was in full, if short, bloom.
 Anti-terror experts and politicians in the West must now consider the Saudi
 connection.

Stephen Schwartz is the author of Intellectuals and Assassins, published by
 Anthem Press.


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