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X, et.al.:
The important thing to keep in mind is tha "tactics" are always shaped
and dewtermined by several considerations.  Primary is the message, how
and what you want to reach the public with, that is, how you go about
putting forward some politics.  That in turn is always determined by the
"correlation of forces" not only on the ground at the location, but the
general public mood, the receptivity of a broader audience.  We, at this
point, do not know what kind of reception we'll receive so one must be
careful about suggesting actions or forms of protest.

FLexibility, the ability to read the situation, is key so that some
indiviuals/individualists don't get too far out in front.

A guideline might be "No stupid shit!"

There have been discussions about this gathering for weeks now.  I don't
recall your presence at any of the meetings.  Now, but days before, you
want to initiate a discussion via e-mail, not the best place.
-AR
PS:: Please forward this to the various lists that I'm not on.

On Mon, 12
Nov 2001,  X wrote:

&gt; Hello,
&gt;
&gt; 	I know many people are worried about the "law and order"
&gt; response to the Peace Parade scheduled for this coming Sat. (11/17)
&gt; at 12:00 Noon outside the gates of Truax Air Force Base near MATC in
&gt; Madison.  It is hard to predict what will happen.  Having been in
&gt; lots of protests, I tend to prepare for the worst and I would
&gt; encourage others to do the same.  No matter what we call the event -
&gt; parade, vigil, protest, march, memorial, etc. etc. - the reaction may
&gt; be exactly the same by the police.
&gt;
&gt; 	In terms of direct action, I agree with many others that the
&gt; "least threatening" tactics are preferable.  Personally, I'm not in
&gt; favor of blocking the gates, climbing the fence, or otherwise
&gt; creating a situation where authorities feel compelled to respond
&gt; and/or arrest people.  Of course, they could still pepperspray
&gt; someone for merely carrying a bouquet of flowers - such are the times
&gt; we live in...
&gt;
&gt; At any rate, three relatively "mellow" and somewhat "fun" direct
&gt; action tactics people have been tossing around for Saturday's event
&gt; include:
&gt;
&gt; 1.) Decorating the fence with statements of resistance, demands for
&gt; peace, etc. etc. - this could include poems, quotes, balloons, paper
&gt; cranes, posters, large photos of Afghani children, etc. etc.  This
&gt; tactic worked very well in Quebec at the FTAA protests and got a lot
&gt; of media coverage.
&gt;
&gt; 2.) Mock minefield with similar looking "cluster bombs" and "food
&gt; packages" strewn along the roadside and entrance that people could
&gt; pick up and discover their fate by reading the explanation on the
&gt; bottom.  The UW Greens in conjunction with the International Campaing
&gt; to Ban Landmines has done similar mock minefields on UW Library Mall
&gt; with a good public response.
&gt;
&gt; 3.) Propaganda flights with people making paper "F-16s" out of copies
&gt; of the UN Declaration of Human Rights, Geneva Convention, photos of
&gt; refugees, etc. etc. and tossing them over the fence.  This tactic has
&gt; been used by solidarity groups  - a common nickname is the "Zapatista
&gt; Airforce."
&gt;
&gt; 	At any rate, these "mild" direct action tactics (and possible
&gt; others) I hope can be discussed at the Student Youth Caucus meeting
&gt; tonight and at the full MAPC meeting tomorrow.  Hopefully, there is
&gt; enough space and trust within the coalition umbrella for such
&gt; activities to occur.
&gt;
&gt; 						Thanks - X, Madison
&gt;


_______________________________________________
discuss@madpeace.org mailing list
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-discuss

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Hi all,

I'm back from work and the media coverage is different than this
morning. This morning, TV had reported it as "deploying ground troops."
Now the media is characterizing it as "a handful of U.S. special forces."
Given that description, it looks like we do not need to employ our
emergency response today. What a relief!  However, I think we need to
be READY if troops are sent in. Given the quick nature in which this
may happen, I opt for planning our strategy now so we don't have to
scramble later. I think a picket line would be the most expedient course,
especially given the fact that we've already had numerous
rallies. Also, a picket line is a lot less work to organize than a rally.
Rallies involve amplification, multiple speakers, musicians, etc. We would
need the following to be ready if we decide on a picket line: press release,
press contacts, bullhorn or portable sound system (or both), picket signs,
chant sheets, and MAPC literature. These tasks cross over multiple
committees so I think we ought to decide now what we want to do and
start preparing within the committees--then we won't be in a crisis
mode later.

Thoughts?

Peace,
x


----- Original Message -----
From: "x" &lt;x&gt;
To: &lt;x&gt;; &lt;x&gt;
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 10:31 AM
Subject: [MAPC-coord] Re: [MAPC-action] 5pm Action Protesting Ground Troops


&gt; CNN is reporting a small deployment of Special Forces ground troops,
&gt; probably intended to locate targets for air strikes rather than to engage
in
&gt; combat.  Fox News is reporting three teams of a dozen troops each.  One of
&gt; them reported that there had been numerous prior sightings of U.S. troops,
&gt; but that this was the first official confirmation.  It's not the top story
&gt; either place.
&gt;
&gt; My recollection from the CC discussions was that an emergency response
would
&gt; be automatic in the event of a non-Special Forces ground invasion or a
&gt; *major* deployment of Special Forces, but that a small Special Forces
&gt; deployment would not necessarily trigger an emergency action.
&gt;
&gt; I would also note that, in the two hours since x posted this, there has
&gt; been no other discussion of an action on any of the MAPC lists.  So I
don't
&gt; get the impression that other folks in MAPC have interpreted this as
&gt; requiring immediate action.
&gt;
&gt; My own feeling -- perhaps influenced by the fact that I'm sick and can't
&gt; help out regardless -- is that this is not a significant military
escalation
&gt; and is probably just a public acknowledgment of what has been happening on
&gt; the ground all along.
&gt;
&gt; x
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; ----- Original Message -----
&gt; From: "x" &lt;x&gt;
&gt; To: &lt;x&gt;; &lt;x&gt;
&gt; Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 7:53 AM
&gt; Subject: [MAPC-action] 5pm Action Protesting Ground Troops
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt; The media is saying that the US has sent ground troops into Afghanistan.
&gt; We
&gt; &gt; had planned on a 5pm action on the capitol in response to this. I think
we
&gt; &gt; should go ahead, but given all the other things we are doing, we should
&gt; keep
&gt; &gt; it simple.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I propose we just have a picket line. The following things need to be
&gt; done:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Get an announcement out to WORT to build the action.
&gt; &gt; Get a bullhorn.
&gt; &gt; Put together a sheet of chants.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; What do you think?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Unfortunately, I am walking out the door to go to work, so I can't help
on
&gt; &gt; this. Given the fact its a work day, I suspect alot of other people are
in
&gt; &gt; the same boat. Can someone step up and run with this?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Thanks.
&gt; &gt; x
&gt; &gt;
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I spose I could give facilitation a try next week.  And book the room.
Whose name is it booked under?  ISO?
----- Original Message -----
From: "X" &lt;X&gt;
To: &lt;X&gt;
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 9:00 PM
Subject: [MAPC-coord] next meeting


&gt; 2 important items we missed -
&gt;
&gt; 1) Need to book room for next cc meeting.
&gt; 2) Need to select facilitator for next cc meeting, who will put the draft
&gt; agenda together.  Trying to remember who has done this aleady - X,
&gt; X, X, me.
&gt;
&gt; Volunteers for the above, anyone??
&gt;
&gt; I'm thinking I'll wait until after the GM meeting to post our notes, so
the
&gt; proposal votes can occur uninfluenced by our discussions.  Also, it will
&gt; give those of us making contacts a chance to do so before the contactee
&gt; reads about it online.  Otherwise, X's notes look pretty good to go to
&gt; me, shouldn't need much editing.
&gt;
&gt; peace, X
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A few additions/revisions/comments:

(1)  ADD:  "Structure of coordinating committee (Do we need an X?)"
This should probably come after the purpose/mission discussion.  [My concern
here is twofold:  First, we've had a number of administrative lapses -- like
no one having responsibility for reserving rooms for CC meetings.  Second,
e-mail is proving to be a rather sluggish way to deal with issues that need
to be decided quickly, such as the "Is this an emergency?" question from
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question.  X we need an X for the CC -- someone who is responsible for
making sure those adminisrative details get covered, and for making phone
calls to CC members when e-mail isn't fast enough.]

(2)  CHANGE:  "Funding" to "Report back from Student/Youth Caucus".  This
should come before the discussion of additional at large CC members.

(3)  ADD:  The usual round table of Working Group reports/updates

(4)  COMMENT:  Regarding "Additional at large members selection", it was
pointed out to me that the three existing at-large members were elected on a
temporary basis.  I can't recall what the final definition of "temporary"
was, or even if there was one.  Do we need to put all five at-large seats up
for election, or just fill the two empty ones?

X


----- Original Message -----
From: "X" &lt;X&gt;
To: &lt;X&gt;
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 10:18 AM
Subject: [MAPC-coord] Sunday meeting reminders and agenda


&gt; Fellow outies,
&gt;
&gt; Here is what I have so far for agenda.  These are mostly left from the
last
&gt; meeting.  If you have additional items, please send to me by Sunday noon
or
&gt; bring with you to the meeting.  These are not in any particular order at
&gt; this point.
&gt;
&gt; - Purpose/mission for cc (bring your proposals)
&gt; - Approval of previous meeting minutes (may be moot point as they are
posted
&gt; already)
&gt; - Additional at large members selection (bring your proposals)
&gt; - GM meeting - select facilitators
&gt; - GM meeting - prepare agenda
&gt; - GM meeting - seems like location will be back up for discussion
&gt; - GM meeting - how much should we pay for meeting space
&gt; - Being proactive for emergency actions
&gt; - Funding (not sure of the exact issue, left from last meeting)
&gt; - International Solidarity
&gt;
&gt; I had an action item to compose a Welcome document to distribute at the
&gt; meeting, I will bring this for commentary.
&gt;
&gt; We will need someone to take notes.  I can bring my laptop, but won't be
&gt; able to both take notes and facilitate at the same time.
&gt;
&gt; X, do you have another outie from Arts that needs to get added to
this
&gt; mail list?  Otherwise, please pass on to whomever will be representing
Arts
&gt; at the meeting.
&gt;
&gt; peace,
&gt; X
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next MAPC-CC meeting:

sunday, 10/21
4pm - 6pm
memorial union (TITU)

i got confirmation this morning.  they assured me it'll be
accessible.  i also requested the same room (board room), but they
can't tell me if we got it or not... we've just gotta check titu.

-x

p.s.  i just found out i might have to be out of town for work this
weekend.  when i find out for sure i'll let y'all know.
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Hello,

I've added you to my mapc-cc group at Yahoo! Groups, a free,
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&gt; Bombing Afghanistan is in NO WAY defending my life.  As far as I'm
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&gt; Killing innocents in Afghanistan or anywhere else is pathetic and
&gt; inexcusable.

Well...killing innocents does nothing, obviously - but killing those who are
sworn to commit mass murder on us seems to me to be a defensive measure.
This doesn't seem like a very fruitful line of moral reasoning.

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If we have an action tomorrow this will also be covered.

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&gt;x, I'd like to suggest that you add 'first reports of American 
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Outies,

Please take note of the following terminology corrections.  I see each 
committee who has put up postings, wiki pages, and/or created leaflets 
should correct their own documents.

peace,
X


&gt;From: "X" &lt;X&gt;
&gt;Reply-To: communication@madpeace.org
&gt;To: communication@madpeace.org
&gt;Subject: FW: RE: [MAPC-com] Afghani is the currency- Afghan is the people
&gt;Date: Thu,  8 Nov 2001 13:16:00 -0800
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;com-comm, fyi...
&gt; &gt;--- Original Message ---
&gt; &gt;From: "X &lt;X&gt;
&gt; &gt;To:  X
&gt; &gt;Date: 11/8/01 3:14:05 PM
&gt; &gt;
&gt;X,
&gt; &gt;Thanks for the input.  I'll be the first to admit that I lack
&gt;cultural competence as far as ethnic nomenclature in the peoples
&gt;of central and southern Asia.  Just to satisy an old journalist's
&gt;curiousity regarding second sourcing the valuable insight you've
&gt;provided, would you mind sharing the names and contact info of
&gt;some of the several Afghan people you have heard from?
&gt; &gt;X
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;--- Original Message ---
&gt; &gt;&gt;From: "X,  Wisconsin Public Radio--Madiso" &lt;X&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;To: media@madpeace.org
&gt; &gt;&gt;Date: 11/8/01 1:46:06 PM
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;Dear Friends,
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;This is just a friendly correction. I have noticed the use
&gt;of the word
&gt; &gt;&gt;"Afghani" in some of your leaflets , in particular the Truax
&gt;Demo
&gt; &gt;&gt;one . This in incorrect and I have heard several Afghan people
&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;complain about this usage over the past month . Afghani is
&gt;what
&gt; &gt;&gt;the paper currency used in the county is called. Please try
&gt;to use
&gt; &gt;&gt;Afghan or Afghans, or "the people of Afganistan ' in future
&gt;printed
&gt; &gt;&gt;material.
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;X
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;_______________________________________________
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;communication@madpeace.org
&gt; &gt;&gt;http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-com
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;_______________________________________________
&gt;
&gt;communication@madpeace.org
&gt;http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-com
&gt;


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X and all,

If Wilmar is too far away from campus, then I really don't know what the
point
is of meeting off campus -- it's only on the 900 block of Jenifer St.,
parallel
to Williamson St. on Madison's near-eastside.  If there's a potential
problem
with that distance, then I think we should remain in the campus area and if
we
meet in the campus area, why don't we just continue to meet on campus?  I
don't
recall what the idea of meeting off-campus was, except that it was a good
idea
and we should get out in the community.  Does anyone remember any other
reason(s)?

In rethinking it, I don't see any reason why we shouldn't continue to meet
on
campus until we get other constituencies involved which would point to
meaningful different meeting sites.  It would also solve the problem of
spending
that money and more in the future, plus not have to deal with a difficult
situation of trying to organize student transportation, on a space for our
meetings which will start to eat up our budget, which could be better spent
on
more important things.  I also remember X reporting that we were making
less and less donations at the meetings.

A woman from Richland Center also contacted me because of Ech's Guest Column
piece in the State Journal.  She found the madpeace website that way and
looked
up the name Cedder and found me, emailed me. They're a small group and I
told
them that we'd very much like to help them, involve in any way we can.  She
also
sent me a letter from a 59 year old dairy farmer who lives there part time
and
in Nicaragua part time.  He was involved the Vietnam War and his letter was
mostt amazing; long too.  I sent it to X of Cap Times and also
sent
it to the media committee to edit so it might fit in as an OpEd or Guest
Column
length for all the other print media.  X, do you know where tthis
stands?  I
think getting it out, the sooner, the better because it's such an incredible
piece and because he lives outside of "The Peoples Republic of Madison."

Peace,  X

X wrote:

&gt; X,
&gt;
&gt; Thanks for the update. It looks like WilMar is the only available option
for
&gt; the 30th. My concern with that location is that it's quite far from campus
&gt; compared to some of the other options, which aren't available. Can we
think
&gt; of any other places? Any other ideas? If we book WilMar, we may want to
&gt; consider organizing transportation for students. I'd hate to lose or
&gt; diminish our student involvement as a result of meeting location. One
&gt; thought--we could advertise free rides on our poster (e.g., for free
rides,
&gt; call xx).
&gt;
&gt; X, the La Crosse peace group sent me an email today about the anti-war
&gt; petitioning that they're doing. They want to know where to send their
&gt; petitions. Could I tell them to send the petitions to you? Even if we
don't
&gt; have a petition campaign yet, it seems that petitioning would fall under
the
&gt; auspices of the Policy committee. I don't want to leave them hanging
because
&gt; they are a small, but dedicated group and really want to work with us. I
&gt; would think we could funnel these petitions and any others that are
&gt; collected in the future to the appropriate governmental officials. What do
&gt; you think?
&gt;
&gt; Peace,
&gt; X
&gt;
&gt; ----- Original Message -----
&gt; From: "X" &lt;X&gt;
&gt; To: &lt;X&gt;
&gt; Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 1:17 PM
&gt; Subject: RE: [MAPC-coord] GM location update
&gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Hi folks - Here's the update on the GM 10/30.  All places have a
separate
&gt; &gt; room for childcare.  All are accessible by bus, as far as I can tell.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Wilmar 257-4576:  $30 per hour for two rooms.  Available all evening.
&gt; &gt; Holds plenty of people. $25 key deposit.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Atwood neighborhood ctr, 241-1574: $1 per person suggested.  Holds 99
&gt; &gt; people.  Avail. Tues after 7:30, Mondays after 7, Weds after 8:30. $25
key
&gt; &gt; deposit.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Neighborhood House, Mills/Park, 255-5337:  Upstairs room only holds 70 -
&gt; 80
&gt; &gt; people.  Gym is taken til 2002.  Said we should come see it.  Free.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Friends Mtg House, off Monroe St, 256-2249:  Left message.  Said
&gt; "downstairs
&gt; &gt; might work".  Need more info.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Luke House, 310 S. Ingersoll, 256-6325:  Dinner in space til 7:30.
Holds
&gt; 72
&gt; &gt; people at tables.  Parking limited (no lot).  They want a pamphlet to
find
&gt; &gt; out more about us.  Told us to visit.  Ask for X.  Free.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; It appears Wilmar is the only place available before 7:30, and one of
the
&gt; &gt; few with enough space for the 100 - 140 people I've counted at the last
&gt; &gt; meetings.  While it will probably cost $90 or so, I would suggest this
&gt; space
&gt; &gt; for Oct. 30 and we can find a different, free space in the future if
&gt; people
&gt; &gt; agree to meet later in the evening AND less people start showing up.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Shall I book Wilmar, or do people have other ideas?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Peace, x
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November 11, 2001

 

 

 

 

1. Introductions &amp; Check-In

2. Additions/Amendments to Agenda

3. Approval of Minutes

4. Mission &amp; Structure of CC

5. Working Group &amp; Caucus Reports/Discussion

6. Action on Proposals from Working Groups/Caucus

7. Planning for General Membership Meeting

a. Location/Facilities

b. Agenda (includes Video Proposal)

c. Facilitators

d. Updated "Welcome" flyer; other preparations

8. Proposal: Donation to Wil-Mar for last general membership meeting

9. Proposal: MAPC/SWAIG Newsletter

10. Proposal: Peace Draft

11. Emergency &amp; proactive actions

12. Adding at-large CC members

13. Planning for Next CC Meeting 

a. Time &amp; Place

b. Facilitator

c. Agenda

My recommendation is that we proceed through the agenda in the order listed (subject of course to change by the body) until 5:50 p.m., at which time we should jump to Item 13 and table any remaining items until next week.
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X/cc,

On Sunday I said I'd get a copy of the USAA/Patriot Act.  Al-awda just
emailed around a good summary, the bill itself being 273 pages long.
Unfortunately, I am not able to print emails from my computer. (GRRRR!).
Could anyone else on their list print this out for our use?  Sorry I am not
able to do this.

Sarah




_______________________________________________
coordination@madpeace.org
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-cc


_______________________________________________
coordination@madpeace.org
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-cc

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The coord. comte mtg is Sunday TITU from 4 - 6:30 pm.  Therefore 6:30 there
is the best I can do...  Sounds like everyone can make it.  Can X and
others bring hard copies of the drafts &amp; other information and quotes that
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my email (grr!)  This sounds like a working session with paper and pens!  :)
Thanks.

Sarah



-----Original Message-----
From: X
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 10:33 AM
To: policy@madpeace.org
Subject: [MAPC-policy] Sun meeting?


hello all,
I agree we need to meet soon to discuss these issues in real time.  Does
meeting this Sun at 6:30 pm at the Union leave us at least an hour before
the coordinating cmte meeting?  I can make that time, tho I'd prefer
something a little earlier.  Paul Bunyan room or TITU?
thanks,
X

&gt; Sunday night meeting sounds fine, assuming I get feedback from alders
after
&gt; their Friday night caucus.  I think I will.
&gt;
&gt; The title wasn't filed yet, but I think that's OK.  We can do that sort of
&gt; announcement/introduction on 11/6 from the Common Council floor.  In any
&gt; case, debate won't be until 11/20 at the earliest.
&gt;
&gt;
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____________________________________________
X
East Timor Action Network field organizer   ETAN field office
diane@etan.org                              Social Justice Center
office XXX-XXX-XXXX                         1202 Williamson St
cell XXX-XXX-XXXX                           Madison, WI 53703
home XXX-XXX-XXXX                           fax XXX-XXX-XXXX

Check out these internet sites!
the East Timor Action Network/US      http://www.etan.org
Madison, WI - East Timor projects     http://www.aideasttimor.org
Madison's Social Justice Center       http://www.socialjusticecenter.org

"We struggled for more than 24 years for independence. We've learned the
lesson that even small people have a voice."
    -East Timorese leader Mari Alkatiri, during the August 30, 2001
Constituent Assembly vote


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http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-policy


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i just called X, and apparently she's already gotten a couple of
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X
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Please remember to update the "MEETINGS" page on the web site with your next
committee meeting date, time, place.  Many of these entries are out of date.
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peace, X
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Shooting at Qatari air base
BBC World News Report

Officials in Qatar say that security forces have shot
dead a Qatari national after he opened fire on an air
base in the Gulf emirate.

The man, named as Abdullah Mubarak al-Hajri, opened
fire at 1030 (0730 GMT) on Wednesday on the Al-Adid
base 40 km (25 miles) south of the capital Doha, the
official Qatari news agency reported.

According to the US embassy in Doha, an unknown number
of Americans were injured in the attack, but in
Washington the Pentagon said it had no such
information.

The air base is being used by US military aircraft, in
line with a military cooperation agreement between the
two countries.

the BBC Middle East correspondent says the attack will
heighten fears of the Arab states rulers that their
populations are opposed to any support for the US-led
campaign against Afghanistan and the al-Qaeda network.


Security fears

The attack comes ahead of the opening of a World Trade
Organisation [WTO] conference in Doha on Friday.



Security is tight in the runup to the WTO meeting

WTO chief Mike Moore said the attack was not related
to the conference, and would not affect it.

Organisers of the conference have considered moving it
to a different venue following security fears in the
wake of the 11 September attacks, but Qatar fought to
keep it.

The United States trade representative, Robert
Zoellick, said he had decided to keep the size of his
delegation "as small as possible" for security
reasons.

Doha was originally chosen in an effort to stem the
likely mass of protesters, who were instrumental in
making the last WTO meeting in Seattle in 1999 an
ignominious failure.

Organisers expect 141 countries to attend the
conference, which runs from 9-13 November.


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Dear all,

Here's a sample of what's going on abroad.
Interesting.

X

&gt;Date:         Sat, 3 Nov 2001 02:19:51 -0000
&gt;From: =?iso-8859-2?B?SmFuIMh1bO1r?= &lt;jcu2@CABLEOL.CO.UK&gt;
&gt;Subject:      The Czech prosecute political views
&gt;To: SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
&gt;
&gt;Some of you might find it interesting how the Czech authorities are
&gt;criminalising verbal "approval" of the US terrorist attacks There are a
&gt;number of cases in the Czech Rep. where people have been charged with the
&gt;"crime" of "approving of a criminal offence", although the Czech Bill of
&gt;Rights guarantees freedom of speech.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;X
&gt;Dept of Slavonic Studies
&gt;University of Glasgow
&gt;
&gt;2nd November, 2001
&gt;Czech internet daily Britske listy reporter Tomas Pecina has now received a
&gt;summons for a police interrogation in connection with his verbal "approval
&gt;of the US attacks".
&gt;
&gt;The document is here, in Czech:
&gt;
&gt;http://www.blisty.cz/fax.php?id=97
&gt;
&gt;When the Czech police started prosecuting a right wing extremist Jan Kopal
&gt;for saying at a public rally in the northern city of Most on 15th September
&gt;2001 that the terrorist attacks served the US right becase it had for years
&gt;practices terrorism abroad, including the bombing of Serbia in 1999. Pecina
&gt;said that it is outrageous to prosecute people for expressing a view. In
&gt;support of the principle of freedom of speech, he has said that he
&gt;demonstratively also approves of the terrorist attacks.
&gt;
&gt;The District Prosecutor´s Office for Prague 2 has recently instructed the
&gt;Czech police to start investigating this "criminal case" and the Czech
&gt;Police has now invited Pecina for questioning, although it is obvious from
&gt;the documentation that Pecina´s statement is a demonstrative gesture, in
&gt;support of freedom of speeech
&gt;
&gt;In response to the summons, Pecina has sent an official complaint against
&gt;the police, pointing out that the Czech Bill of Rights guarantees freedom
of
&gt;speech and so people cannot be criminalised for expressing a view.
&gt;
&gt;Britske listy as published the protocol of of the extremist Jan Kopal´s
&gt;questioning by the police regarding this "verbal criminal offence". The
&gt;interview took place last week and the questions "What did you mean by
&gt;saying that..."  "Were you aware that TV cameras were present...?" were
&gt;rather reminiscent of pre-1989 communist police questions asked  of
&gt;interrogated dissidents.
&gt;
&gt;X
&gt;University of Glasgow
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;27th Oct. 2001:
&gt;
&gt;Czech police investigates grafitti for a possible criminal offence
&gt;
&gt;In the south eastern town of Zlin, the locals have alerted the police to
&gt;some grafitti on a city wall, an official space for making grafitti. A
&gt;picture of a man with what looks like a turban has recently appeared there,
&gt;with a sign "Solidarity with the people of Afghanistan!" The police is
&gt;trying to analyse whether it is a picture of Jimi Hendrix or of Osama bin
&gt;Laden. If they conclude that it is bin Laden, they will initiate criminal
&gt;proceedings against the authors of the picutre. See this article (the
&gt;picture in question is included).
&gt;
&gt;The picture of the graffiti is here:
&gt;http://www.flashnews.cz/index.php3?iid=10600&amp;detailclanku=43041
&gt;
&gt;X
&gt;
&gt;CZECH PROSECUTORS: APPROVING OF THE ACTS OF TERROR IN THE US IS A CRIMINAL
&gt;OFFENCE
&gt;
&gt;The Czech News Agency, 2nd October, 2001:
&gt;
&gt;Approval of the recent terrorist acts against the United States can be
&gt;qualified as a criminal offence. But when investigating these cases,
&gt;prosecutors will have sensitively to look for a borderline between freedom
&gt;of speech and a criminal act. Representatives of the Regional, Higher
&gt;Prosecutor´s Offices and the General Prosecutor´s Office agreed on this in
&gt;Brno today,
&gt;
&gt;"We are all in agreement that the Criminal Code makes it possible to
&gt;prosecute culprits [verbally approving of the terrorist attacks in the US]
&gt;under several sections," said Lumir Crha, the Deputy of the Prosecutor
&gt;General.
&gt;
&gt;Crha said that this criminal activity is "a new thing in the Czech
&gt;Republic". The aim of prosecuting the autors of the remarks [approving of
&gt;terrorist acts] is not, in Crha´s view, suppression of freedom of speech.
&gt;"It is necessary to realise that it is only possible to use one´s freedom
of
&gt;speech until the moment when a criminal offence is being committed," said
&gt;Crha. He said that it is necessary to distinguish between "constructive
&gt;criticism" of the United States and the approval of the attacks.
&gt;
&gt;Czech Justice Secretary Jaromir Bures has recently said that statements
made
&gt;by the ultra right-wing Chairman of the National Social Block, Jan Kopal,
&gt;approving of the terrorist attacks can be classified as a criminal offence
&gt;of "supporting terrorism".
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;"Idnes", 1st October 2001:
&gt;
&gt;http://zpravy.idnes.cz/domaci.asp?r=domaci&amp;c=A011001_145734_domaci_nad&amp;t=A0
1
&gt;
&gt;LEAFLETS APPROVING OF TERORISM WERE FOUND IN THE POST OFFICE!
&gt;
&gt;Liberec, Northern Bohemia: Three leaflets whose author approves of the
&gt;terrorist attacks against the USA, were discovered by employees of the Post
&gt;Office in Liberec amongst letters. The Post Office Employees immediately
&gt;handed these leaflets to the police. "They were normal sheets of paper with
&gt;capital letters on them, written with a felt tip pen," said the Liberec
&gt;police spokesperson Vlasta Suchankova. "We have sent the leaflets to the
&gt;Prague criminological institute for analysis."
&gt;
&gt;The leaflets literally [sic] said: "George Bush = a fundamentalist and
&gt;creator of a war hysteria! The United States themselves are to blame for
&gt;this! Innocent people have died! The US have armed the terrorists
&gt;themselves! Let the US start with criticism in their own back yard! The
&gt;regime in the Czech Republic wishes to put into prison people who disagree
&gt;with US politics. People, beware of such a regime! It is afraid of the
&gt;truth! Such a regime should end. The Fourth Resistance Movement."
&gt;
&gt;Anyone could have thrown these leaflets into a letterbox, said the police
&gt;spokeswoman. They were not in sealed envelopes.
&gt;
&gt;Two days after the attacks against the United States someone stuck a poster
&gt;on the door of the [conservative] MP Jiri Drda (ODS). The poster appealed
&gt;for support for bin Laden. "The United States is responsible for the
&gt;suffering of the Third World and so our first act was directed against the
&gt;US - there will be further acts, aimed against all the countries of the
&gt;Euroatlantic civilisation," the poster said.
&gt;
&gt;The Prague Institute of Criminology has now produced a report which says
&gt;that it might be possible to ascertain on what equipment the poster had
been
&gt;manufactured. :)
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;The Czech News Agency, 2nd October, 2001:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;http://www.ceskenoviny.cz/view-id.php4?id=20011002E00706&amp;tbl=zpravy&amp;kostra=
l
&gt;etáky
&gt;
&gt;FURTHER LEAFLETS IN LIBEREC
&gt;
&gt;Further three handwritten leaflets approving the terrorist attack against
&gt;the United States appeared in Liberec. The police spokesperson Vlasta
&gt;Suchankova said that the police sent them to Usti nad Labem for a
&gt;criminological and graphological anaysis.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;24th September, 2001:
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;THE CZECHS HAVE CHARGED INDIVIDUALS WHO APPROVE OF THE TERRORIST ACTS IN
THE
&gt;US
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;Home Secretary Stanislav Gross told the media that the police will be
&gt;prosecuting Jan Kopal and other right wing radicals for saying that the
&gt;United States has been justifiably attacked by  terrorists. These
&gt;individuals are to be prosecuted on the basis of Article 165 of the Penal
&gt;Code: (He who publicly approves of a criminal offence or who publicly
&gt;praises a perpetrator of a criminal offence will be punished by
imprisonment
&gt;of up to one year.)
&gt;
&gt;Main Evening News, Czech TV, Wednesday 19th September:
&gt;
&gt;"Jan Kopal, Chairman of the extreme right wing National Social Bloc has
been
&gt;charged by the prosecutor in the city of Most for approving of a criminal
&gt;offence. If found guilty, Kopal can be imprisoned for a year. During a
&gt;demonstration which took place on Saturday 15th Septemer, Kopal said: "A
&gt;country like the United States which committed so much evil in the past,
&gt;which essentially has been supporting international terrorism and
&gt;participated in missions like Yugoslavia where innocent civilians were
being
&gt;murdered does not deserve anything else but such an attack." He also said
&gt;that Osama bin Laden should become an example for Czech children. The Czech
&gt;government is preparing measures against individuals who approve of the
&gt;terrorist attacks against the United States."
&gt;
&gt;Nova TV, Main Evening News, Wednesday 19th September:
&gt;
&gt;"Rather serious were the statements made by Jan Kopal, Chairman of the
&gt;National Social Block, who said of the United States at the weekend that a
&gt;country which has supported international terrorism deserves such a
&gt;terrorist attack. Kopal has now been charged. The police now warns
&gt;especially young people that they should not be chanting slogans,
especially
&gt;at football matches, approving of the attack against the United States.
Such
&gt;behaviour will be harshly punished."
&gt;
&gt;Czech Television, Main Evening News Thursday 20th September:
&gt;
&gt;"The police has arrested two 18-year old youths who chanted slogans
&gt;celebrating the terrorist attacks against the US at Hlavateho Street in
&gt;Prague 4 on Wednesday night. One of the youths has hit a policemen on the
&gt;shoulder. The youths have been charged with hooliganism and with assaulting
&gt;public officials. If found guilty, they can be sentenced to three years´
&gt;imprisonment."
&gt;
&gt;Britske listy, 21st September 2001:
&gt;
&gt;Tomas Pecina: It is rather doubtful how the Czech authorities wish to
&gt;prosecute this "crime of approving a criminal offence" since according to
&gt;Articles 17-20 of the Penal Code it is impossible to use Czech law to judge
&gt;the criminality or otherwise of  acts committed by foreign nationals on
&gt;foreign territory. It is not possible to use another country´s Code of Law,
&gt;because thus for instance expressing support for imprisoned Cuban dissidens
&gt;would be an offence of "approving of a criminal act".
&gt;
&gt;Tomas Pecina: Since I am of the opinion that human rights are indivisible,
I
&gt;cannot react otherwise but in the sense of Kennedy´s statement "Ich bin ein
&gt;Berliner". I avail myself of my right of freedom of speech, guaranteed by
&gt;Article 17 of the Czech Bill of Rights and Freedoms and I hereby proclaim
&gt;that I approve of the terrorist attack, carried out on 11th September 2001
&gt;against the United States.I wish to be prosecuted in the same way as Jan
&gt;Kopal.
&gt;
&gt;A collaborator of Britske listy Helena Svatosova will submit a official
&gt;complaint against Tomas Pecina to the authorities, proposing that he be
&gt;prosecuted for his statement.
&gt;
&gt;Although we naturally disapprove of Mr. Kopal´s comments, we feel that he
&gt;must not be prosecuted for merely expressing his views and are ready to
&gt;defend the democratic right of freedom of speech in the interests of
&gt;democracy in the Czech Republic. It is intolerable to think that people
&gt;should be again afraid to express their views for fear of criminal
&gt;prosecution.
&gt;
&gt;Under Czech law and in the current atmosphere in the Czech Republic, Pecina
&gt;will probably be found guilty.
&gt;
&gt;X
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;Mlada fronta Dnes, 11th August, 2001:
&gt;
&gt;http://www.mfdnes.cz/mfdomov.asp?c=186mfdomov_2_
&gt;
&gt;"A man could be sent to prison for praising nationalisation.
&gt;
&gt;Sumperk. - The District Investigator´s Office in Sumperk will hand over to
&gt;the State Prosecutor the case of 23-year old communist activist David
Pecha.
&gt;Pecha is being charged for promoting a movement aiming to suppress
&gt;citizens´rights and freedoms, for slander and for spreading alarmist views.
&gt;In the Pochoden (Torch) periodical, Pecha sang the praises of communism and
&gt;called for the return of the old order, even by means of a military
&gt;struggle. "On Monday, the State Prosecutor will have the file with the
&gt;proposal to prosecute Pecha on his desk," said investigator Vlastimil
Flasar
&gt;yesterday.
&gt;
&gt;Since November 1989, this has been the first case where the authorities are
&gt;prosecuting a left-wing extremist for promoting communism. So far, the
&gt;police has been using the article of the Criminal Code, which outlaws the
&gt;promotion of non-democratic movements only to prosecute  skinheads who have
&gt;praised Hitler and fascism. If found guilty, Pecha could be sentenced to up
&gt;to eight years´ imprisonment. Among other things, Pecha has said in the
&gt;Pochoden newspaper and on the internet that Czech soldiers who disobey
&gt;orders could be, under state of war, shot for insubordination, according to
&gt;NATO guidelines. Pìcha has also said that about a dozen leading Czech
&gt;politicians are criminals and traitors."
&gt;
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On Friday, November 16 at 12 noon-1 pm on WORT's
A Public Affair, Zoltan Grossman will again have as
his guest Robert Fisk, Middle East correspondent of
The Independent (London).  Fisk's war dispatches from
Islamabad, Pakistan , can be seen at
http://www.independent.co.uk . The interview
will take place live from Beirut.

Robert Fisk was the first western journalist to
interview Osama Bin Laden, and one of the first to warn of
the consequences of the West's tilt toward Islamist
militants in the region.  Fisk's harsh assessment
of the new/old rulers of Kabul, the Northern Alliance,
can be seen below, as can a similar new statement from
the Revolutionary Association of Women of
Afghanistan (RAWA).

Tune in to 89.9fm, and call 256-2001 on Friday to
ask questions.

++++++++++++++++

Published on Tuesday, November 13, 2001 in the Independent/UK

No Surprise at Rumors of New Atrocities by Our 'Foot-Soldiers'

by Robert Fisk

The Northern Alliance's sudden victories in Afghanistan may be good news

for the West but the bad news is not far behind. The Uzbek, Tadjik and
Hazara gunmen who make up this rag-tag army have a bloody reputation for

torturing and executing prisoners which ? if resumed in the coming days
? will
plunge America and Britain into a moral abyss.

Chilling stories of more than 100 pro-Taliban Pakistani fighters shot
dead after their surrender in Mazar-i-Sharif ? and of Alliance gunmen
"roaming the streets'' of the abandoned city ? will not come as a
surprise to
those who are aware of the atrocities committed by America's new allies
during
the 1992-96 fighting in Kabul.

For the Americans ? and for the minuscule British component of the
West's military forces inside Afghanistan ? the behavior of the Northern

Alliance presents a grave problem. As our "foot-soldiers" are in
Afghanistan, we
cannot disclaim responsibility for human rights abuses by the Alliance's

gunmen; yet neither the Americans nor the British appear to have tried
to control the army they are now helping. Indeed, it seems they may not
even be able to prevent the Alliance from entering Kabul.

The massacres committed by malicious fighting in the name of outside
powers have regularly brought shame upon their more powerful allies. The

Contras in Nicaragua and the Phalangist militiamen in Lebanon
contaminated their
respective American and Israeli masters ? the latter in the notorious
Palestinian camp massacres of Sabra and Chatila in 1982. A glance at the

Alliance's track record of rape, pillage and street executions in Kabul
between 1992 and 1996 suggests that the so-called Allies ? America,
Britain and just about anyone else who wants to join in ? have good
reason to
exert their influence over the newly victorious militiamen from the
north of
Afghanistan.

In Mazar-i-Sharif and Herat there are comparatively few Pashtun
communities, which traditionally favor the Taliban.
A bit further south the Alliance will find itself among its ethnic
enemies. In 1997, Mazar's Hazara defenders killed more than 600 Taliban
militiamen who had taken over the city and then massacred dozens of
Pakistani
students who had accompanied the Taliban into the region. In later
bloodbaths,
thousands of Taliban prisoners were shot into mass graves, with dozens
more Pakistanis. A Northern Alliance turncoat, General Pahlawan Malik,
subsequently executed 2,000 Taliban prisoners of war who had been
tortured and starved before being put to death.

Many were drowned in wells. Others met a more carefully planned death.
One of General Malik's generals recalled: "At night when it was quiet
and
dark we took about 150 Taliban prisoners, blindfolded them, tied their
hands
behind their backs and drove them in truck containers out to the desert.

We lined them up 10 at a time, in front of holes in the ground, and
opened
fire. It took about six nights.''

On other occasions Taliban prisoners were locked inside containers in
mid-summer; 1,250 were deliberately asphyxiated in this way, their
corpses dragged from the containers, blackened by the heat.

Could it happen again? There is no reason to believe the Alliance has
been taking lessons in human rights. It has been receiving ammunition
from
Russia and logistics from the United States. Photographs in yesterday's
Pakistani papers showed Alliance gunmen leading a small party of Western
troops
through the terrain of northern Afghanistan. But our soldiers are highly

unlikely to have been distributing copies of the Geneva Convention to
their new friends.

++++++++++


 Robert Fisk: Our friends are killers, crooks and torturers

 07 October 2001
The Independent (London)
www.independent.co.uk

 Almost four weeks after the crimes against humanity in New
 York and Washington, we are playing politics on the hoof and
 allying ourselves to some of the nastiest butchers around.

 Mr Blair may believe that "the values we believe in should shine
 through what we do in Afghanistan" but few of our "friends" in
 the region have many values, and some of them have a lot of
 blood on their hands. For as we search for facilities and
 jumping-off points and air space and access -- and we are now
 creating policies by the day -- we are being asked to forget a
 lot of recent history.

 First out of the memory goes Chechnya. The savage
 repression of this Muslim republic -- complete with mass
 executions, mass rape and mass graves -- was the brainchild
 of Vladimir Putin, the former serving KGB officer into whose
 soul Mr Bush believes he peered in Slovenia.

 Mr Putin's assault on Grozny was timed to bring him the
 Russian presidency, and within weeks his indisciplined troops
 had turned the rubble of Chechnya into something approaching
 Afghanistan. Mr Putin now seems our strongest ally in the "war
 against terror". And why not, when he is himself such a master
 of terror?

 Second out of the memory goes the nasty little dictatorship run
 by the Saudi royal family whose religious "mouttawa" police
 taught the Taliban how to run their Ministry for the Prevention of
 Vice and Promotion of Virtue.

 We should forget that women are not even allowed to drive a
 car in Saudi Arabia, we must ignore the weekly
 head-choppings outside mosques, the country's disgraceful
 and unfair judicial system -- everything, in fact, which might
 remind us of Saudi Arabia's carbon copy, the Taliban, whose
 destruction we are now seeking.

 Then we must turn our attention away from the not terribly
 democratic regime of General Pervez Musharraf. Only a little
 while ago, the general was the Pakistani army commander who
 overthrew the democratically elected -- though corrupt --
 government of Nawaz Sharif. Indeed, General Musharraf was
 rather keen to hang Mr Sharif until President Clinton dropped
 by Islamabad early last year to condemn Osama bin Laden
 and appeal for Sharif's life.

 Only a few weeks ago, the general appointed himself president.
 And while the world tut-tutted then, it now respectfully accords
 General Musharraf the title of "president" too.

 Fourth down the memory hole goes our new friend Uzbekistan
 whose President Islam Karimov currently holds 7,000 political
 prisoners in his jails. There is no free press, no political
 opposition.

 Mikhail Ardzinov, one of the few human rights activists in
 Uzbekistan -- who was brutally beaten by Karimov's secret
 police two years ago -- now says that although America had
 promised not to sell out human rights to get Karimov's
 friendship, "We know that the tone will change now". Too true.
 Karimov has promised that his air space can be "used in the
 fight against terrorism for humanitarian and security aims".

 And this is not the moment to remind anyone that Uzbekistan
 has its own reasons to destroy the Taliban -- not just because
 the Taliban has been exporting its revolution over the
 Afghan-Uzbek border, but because President Karimov wants to
 run an oil pipeline through Afghanistan to a Pakistani port, a
 project that will help to fund his bankrupt police state (as well
 as a few American oil companies).

 One of Karimov's allies is the anti-Taliban war criminal Abdul
 Rashid Dustum whose men went on a rampage of rape in
 Kabul in the early Nineties and who, for several months, went
 to fight for the Taliban after receiving a massive bribe for his
 change of allegiance. So it's amnesia too for the anarchy and
 mass human rights abuses perpetrated when the Northern
 Alliance -- our friends in northern Afghanistan -- ruled Kabul.
 We must remember with sorrow its former leader, Ahmed Shah
 Massoud, a genuine patriot murdered by Arab suicide bombers
 on 9 September, but we must forget his colleague Rasoul
 Sayaf whose men used Shia women as sex slaves in the early
 Nineties.

 Now it's true that Churchill, when told in 1941 that Germany
 had invaded the Soviet Union and that Stalin was now his ally,
 announced that if Hitler invaded Hell, he would at least make "a
 favourable reference" to the Devil in the House of Commons.
 But we're not making any references at all to our "friends" in
 the region. We have drawn the shining bright sword and have
 no time to worry if the hands we shake are covered in blood.

 This is a war of democracy versus evil, according to President
 Bush. It's just that there's not an awful lot of democracy
 around.

+++++++++++


&gt;Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan (RAWA)

&gt;RAWA's appeal to the UN and World community
&gt;
&gt;The people of Afghanistan do not accept domination of the Northern
&gt;Alliance!
&gt;
&gt;Now it is confirmed that the Taliban have left Kabul and the Northern
&gt;Alliance has entered the city.
&gt;
&gt;The world should understand that the Northern Alliance is composed of
some
&gt;bands who did show their real criminal and inhuman nature when they
were
&gt;ruling Afghanistan from 1992 to 1996.
&gt;
&gt;The retreat of the terrorist Taliban from Kabul is a positive
development,
&gt;but entering of the rapist and looter NA in the city is nothing but a
&gt;dreadful and shocking news for about 2 million residents of Kabul whose

&gt;wounds of the years 1992-96 have not healed yet.
&gt;
&gt;Thousands of people who fled Kabul during the past two months were
saying
&gt;that they feared coming to power of the NA in Kabul much more than
being
&gt;scared by the US bombing.
&gt;
&gt;The Taliban and Al-Qaeda will be eliminated, but the existence of the
NA as
&gt;a military force would shatter the joyful dream of the majority for an
&gt;Afghanistan free from the odious chains of barbaric Taliban. The NA
will
&gt;horribly intensify the ethnic and religious conflicts and will never
&gt;refrain
&gt;to fan the fire of another brutal and endless civil war in order to
retain
&gt;in power. The terrible news of looting and inhuman massacre of the
captured
&gt;Taliban or their foreign accomplices in Mazar-e-Sharif in past few days

&gt;speaks for itself.
&gt;
&gt;Though the NA has learned how to pose sometimes before the West as
&gt;"democratic" and even supporter of women's rights, but in fact they
have
&gt;not
&gt;at all changed, as a leopard cannot change its spots.
&gt;
&gt;RAWA has already documented heinous crimes of the NA. Time is running
out.
&gt;RAWA on its own part appeals to the UN and world community as a whole
to
&gt;pay &gt;urgent and considerable heed to the recent developments in our
ill-fated
&gt;Afghanistan before it is too late.
&gt;
&gt;We would like to emphatically ask the UN to send its effective
&gt;peace-keeping &gt;force into the country before the NA can repeat the
unforgettable crimes
&gt;they committed in the said years.
&gt;
&gt;The UN should withdraw its recognition to the so-called Islamic
government
&gt;headed by Rabbani and help the establishment of a broad-based
government
&gt;based on the democratic values.
&gt;
&gt;RAWA's call stems from the aspirations of the vast majority of the
people
&gt;of &gt;Afghanistan.
&gt;
&gt;Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan (RAWA)
&gt;


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IT AIN'T OVER 'TILL IT'S OVER:
What to watch for in Afghanistan

By X

The fall of Kabul and other Afghan
cities has led many Americans to
believe that the war is swiftly drawing to a
close.  The U.S. media is creating the
impression that the takeover has brought 23
years of war, instability and oppression to an
end. Nothing could be farther from
the truth.  Paraphrasing Yogi Berra,
the war ain't over 'till it's over.

First, in a country that traditionally
has lacked centralized authority, the takeover
of the capital city does not yet mean the
conquest of all of Afghanistan.  Taliban
forces are regrouping in and around their
de facto capital of Kandahar,
where some factions plan to wage a
guerrilla war.  Afghans did not beat
the British and Russian invaders by
holding the cities, but by waging ferocious
resistance from mountain strongholds.
If Taliban or other Pashtun fighters launch a
Chechen-style hit-and-run defense, the
war could drag on for years.
The result of a new guerrilla war
would be the complete ethnic partition
of Afghanistan into a Pashtun south and
non-Pashtun north.  The media has highlighted
the renewed food aid shipments into
Afghanistan, but without noting that food
has been used by all sides as a weapon,
with militias seizing aid
shipments for their supporters, and blocking
food from their enemy's territory.

Second, the Northern Alliance rebels' seizure
of Kabul merely resets the clock
back to 1992, when as the mujahadin
they took the city from Najibullah's Communists.
Not only did the non-Pashtun mujahadin
execute Pashtuns, and legislate the first
limits on women's rights, but they quickly
turned on each other.  Their four years of
in-fighting left 50,000 dead, and led Afghans
and the West to welcome the Taliban as
stabilizing "liberators" in 1996. Since then,
Northern Alliance rebels have had a reputation
as corrupt "looters and rapists," according
to a recent statement by the Revolutionary
Association of Women of Afghanistan
(RAWA), and have taken control
of up to 80 percent of Afghanistan's
opium trade.  The returning Northern
Alliance rebels are again executing Pashtuns
in the city, much as returning Albanians
attacked Serbs in Kosovo two years ago.
But the Northern Alliance seizure
of Kabul gives it a central role in any new
Afghan "coalition" government, because
possession is nine-tenths of the law.

Third, even if the U.S. or U.N. manages
to form a shaky "coalition" government,
the conflict may only restart, as
it did in 1992 and in 1996.  All Afghan
ethnic and political factions will assume
their claim to power will be recognized by
the U.S. powerbrokers. When they realize that
Washington intends to split the difference, some of
them may quickly turn on their former allies.
Washington attempted to build a multiethnic coalition
under the aging King Zahir Shah in
1992, and failed miserably.  It tried to build
a similar coalition that same year in Somalia.
One of the fundamental errors made
by the U.S. in Somalia was an assumption that
its unifying intentions would magically satisfy
all militia factions.  The other mistake it made
was to only recognize militia warlords as
legitimate political players, and ignore civil society
and clan elders. An Afghan regime that only patches
together the guys with the guns, and leaves out the
vast majority of Afghan women and men,
will merely reward the past two decades of
violence, and set up up another U.N. "peacekeeping"
force for failure.

The West supported the mujahadin takeover
of Kabul in 1992, the Taliban takeover in 1996,
and now the Northern Alliance takeover
in 2001. Its aims were usually to  "liberate"
Afghanistan from the last regime it supported.
Washington's initial support for militant Islamist
groups in Afghanistan
(like Israel's support of Hamas, and Egypt's
support of the Muslim Brotherhood) ultimately
blew up in its face.  Yet because the militant Islamists
are today virtually the force exploiting
public opposition to poverty, corruption,
and foreign occupation in the Muslim world,
repressing them only legitimizes their growing
popularity. Instead of backing or repressing far-right
Islamic populist groups, the West and its
client governments could be posing popular alternatives
to draw frustrated citizens away from them.
Instead, the U.S. is merely
repeating old mistakes by crushing the Taliban,
while hailing new Islamist militant groups such
as the Northern Alliance.

But there is a method to this madness, more
to U.S. aims in the region than is readily apparent.
Afghanistan has historically been in an
extremely strategic location straddling South Asia,
Central Asia, and the Middle East. Will the U.S.
attempt to use the current crisis to establish a permanent
presence in the region?
Each recent large U.S. intervention has left behind a
string of new military bases in a region where
they had never before had a foothold  The
Gulf War left behind large U.S. bases in
Saudi Arabia and three other Gulf states--the main
Bin Laden grievance that fueled the September 11 attacks.
Military interventions in former Yugoslavia resulted in
U.S. bases in four countries, including
the sprawling Camp Bondsteel complex in
Kosovo.  Were the military bases merely
built to aid the interventions, or did the interventions
occur partly in order to station the bases?

The U.S. military is inserting itself into
strategic areas of the world, and anchoring U.S.
geopolitical influence in these areas, at a very critical
time in history.  With the rise of a new
European economic superpower, and
increased economic competition from
East Asia, U.S. economic power is perhaps
on the wane.  But in military affairs,
the U.S. is still the unquestioned superpower.
Why not project that military dominance
into new strategic regions as
a future counterweight to its competitors?
French President Jacques Chirac
correctly viewed the U.S. role in the Persian
Guld as securing control over oil sources
for Europe and Japan. Afghanistan lies
along a proposed Unocal pipeline route
from new Caspian Sea oil fields to the Indian
Ocean.  Allied checkpoints are now being
set up along the Afghan highways that
would serve as potential routes for the
pipeline.

Major tests for U.S. policy lie in the days
and weeks ahead.  Will special forces switch
to fighting against guerrillas in Afghani
or Pakistani mountains?  Will Bush
flatten Kandahar like Putin flattened the
Chechen capital of Grozny last year?
Will the Northern Alliance be allowed
to dominate Kabul (like the Kosovo
Liberation Army became the UN "police
force" in  Kosovo)?  Will a new "coalition"
government stay together, or only give a
seat at the table to anyone carrying a
Kalashnikov or RPG launcher?

Will Bin Laden really be captured, or
(like Saddam) be allowed to live in order
to justify a permanent stationing of U.S. troops?
Will anthrax be used as a new
excuse to bomb and invade Iraq?
Finally, will the new U.S. military
bases in Afghanistan, Uzbekistan,
Tajikistan and Pakistan become permanent
outposts guarding a new oil infrastructure?
A failure of the U.S. to pull out of the region
after the war, to leave behind a government
that truly represents Afghani civilians, or
to lure Muslims away from militant
groups, will only give impetus to new
Bin Ladens, and to future September 11s.


X is a doctoral candidate in
Geography at the University of Wisconsin-Madison,
and a member of the South-West Asia
Information Group.
X


Also see:
A history of biochemical weapons
http://madison.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=1522&amp;group=webcast
List of U.S. military interventions since 1890
http://www.zmag.org/list2.htm
A briefing on the history of U.S. interventions
http://www.zmag.org/grossmanciv.htm
Afghanistan is not simply like Vietnam
http://www.badgerherald.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2001/09/30/3bb7cc953e5bd

WORT interview with Robert Fisk
http://madison.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=1127&amp;group=webcast
WORT interview with Ahmed Rashid
http://madison.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=1272&amp;group=webcast








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&gt;To: X, X
&gt;CC: X
&gt;Subject: notes for Feingold mtg.
&gt;Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 23:31:59 +0000
&gt;
&gt;Dear Committee,
&gt;
&gt;     I found a few items you might want to keep in mind for meeting
&gt;Feingold.
&gt;
&gt;(1)
&gt;     First, the Friends' Service National Legislation site alerted me to
&gt;this impending legislation from Senator Helms.  Let's ask Feingold to
&gt;oppose it.
&gt;
&gt;     http://www.fcnl.org/act_lam_current/actnow_lam_index.htm
&gt;
&gt;(2)
&gt;     Here's the same site's recommendations on talking to legislators about
&gt;upcoming military spending authorization, though it doesn't give bill
&gt;numbers.  Seems like handy background.
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&gt;http://www.fcnl.org/issues/afghanistan/terrorism/stmt_military-spending.htm
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&gt;(3)
&gt;     Also, let's give Feingold a big thanks for his lone opposition to
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&gt;(4)
&gt;     Now here are a few more thoughts.  Please bear with me, since I am new
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&gt;from that that Feingold co-introduced S.1564, a bill relating to US
&gt;adherence to the ABM Treaty.  It's now in the Committee on Armed Services.
&gt;I haven't read the bill.  Let's do that since it's  lead by Feinstein, who
&gt;can be hawkish.
&gt;     A truly excellent resolution S.172 has been introduced into the Senate
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&gt;     There's also a S.173 resolution condemning violence against
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&gt;the problem than starting a war!
&gt;
&gt;     Hope this helps.  Looking forward to seeing you Tuesday.
&gt;
&gt;Best,
&gt;X
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