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              <text>I think your suggestion has a lot of promise, X; however, I am concerned about coordinating it for this week's meeting.  I think if we do it, it might make more sense for this particular meeting to focus on the events coming up, rather than the general, sweeping tasks, like poster distribution or creation.  I think the events are more "gelling" as forces and focii to catch people's interest ("hey, I could work on that...") and to allow for communication, teamwork, etc.  It would be overwhelming for a group to discuss creating or distributing flyers for three events, while looking at the holistic effort for one event has a managability.

If anyone likes this suggestion, that we (at least for this week) break into working groups based on event

Nov 17, art auction, Nov 30, etc, etc,

with perhaps the addition of the brochure or website improvement, 

I would be more than happy to facilitate the Nov 30 event group.  To tell you the truth, I'd feel pretty overhwhelmed myself to work on any of the other thematic groups you suggested --I'm game, but I wouldn't feel nearly as comfortable.  

Feedback?

X

P.S. thanks for the thoughtful suggestion --good call on getting non-committee people working on something... I really like it....let's keep going with this???


&gt;From: X

&gt;Reply-To: coordination@madpeace.org 

&gt;To: coordination@madpeace.org 

&gt;Subject: Re: [MAPC-coord] cc mission for approval, gm agenda 

&gt;Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 03:55:53 -0600 

&gt; 

&gt;On Sun, 11 Nov 2001 20:37:50 -0600 "X" wrote: 

&gt; 

&gt; &gt; Here is the CC mission, combining X's original plus what we added/changed: 

&gt; 

&gt;looks great to me. 

&gt; 

&gt; &gt; Here is the agenda: 

&gt;... 

&gt; &gt; 4) Announcements 

&gt; &gt; 5) Optional - Video 

&gt; 

&gt;i thought more about the idea of having people who want to work on the 

&gt;brochure get together for a little bit after the gm. i started 

&gt;thinking about all the other tasks we try to coordinate, particularly 

&gt;things that have a lot of overlap between the different committees. i 

&gt;was also thinking about the need to make the general meetings more 

&gt;productive and worth while for people to come to, since some people 

&gt;have stopped coming because of their experience with long meetings 

&gt;that didn't accomplish a whole lot. i think that's gotten much 

&gt;better, but our gms still have a reputation which we need to take big, 

&gt;tangible steps towards overcoming. 

&gt; 

&gt;i propose that at the end of the gm we have people split up into 

&gt;working groups to accomplish specific things that need to be 

&gt;organized. we could have our own proposals as the cc and/or during 

&gt;the meeting, anyone could suggest other topics. my proposals for this 

&gt;week: 

&gt; 

&gt;1) working on the brochure 

&gt; - already discussed as a good idea 

&gt; 

&gt;2) coordinating putting up posters 

&gt; - has lots of overlap between o/e, communications, volunteers, etc; 

&gt; it really needs to happen, particularly this week with so many 

&gt; events coming up soon... 

&gt; 

&gt;3) coordinating the production of posters 

&gt; - has lots of overlap between o/e, arts, communications, action, 

&gt; media, etc; there are people not in any committee who are good at 

&gt; this who want to help us; it'd be good if there was some more 

&gt; consistancy to our publicity (all posters include the mapc logo 

&gt; and www.madpeace.org, a .pdf version of all of our posters should 

&gt; be posted on the web so anyone can download, print, copy, and hang 

&gt; them, etc); it's a lot of work, and it'd be good if there was a 

&gt; pool of people who could do it and each committee didn't have to 

&gt; find volunteers themselves; etc... 

&gt; 

&gt;4) inital steps towards forming a labor caucus 

&gt; - see how many union folks are in the room and if they're interested 

&gt; in starting to work towards forming a caucus 

&gt; 

&gt;in addition, we could use one of these working groups to coordinate 

&gt;details of a specific event. since we have less and less time in the 

&gt;cc meetings to hash out lots of details, it might be good to have 

&gt;people from different committees meet to coordinate some of the 

&gt;details themselves, and get people right there who agree to take care 

&gt;of certain tasks. the people from these groups who could then be the 

&gt;liasons between committees for the planning of the given event. this 

&gt;way, things like "who's going to pick up the art props for our demo on 

&gt;the 17th planned by action?" can be taken care of without using up 

&gt;time in a cc meeting. 

&gt; 

&gt;this is a direct way to involve volunteers from the meeting in the 

&gt;work of the coalition without them having to join a committee or 

&gt;caucus. it drastically cuts down on the time between when a new 

&gt;person comes to a mapc meeting and when they can start to be involved 

&gt;in the coalition's work. it would help the committees get their work 

&gt;accomplished. i hope it would also start to break down the mentality 

&gt;of "committee turf" which i see as developing into a minor problem 

&gt;(all the concern over "who's responsibility is this task, committee X 

&gt;or committee Y?"). 

&gt; 

&gt;for this week, if there's still work that needs to be done that we 

&gt;don't have (enough) people working on, we could have groups to 

&gt;coordinate that work for: 

&gt; 

&gt;- the fast 

&gt;- the teach-in on thursday 

&gt;- the peace parade on the 17th 

&gt;- the dance party at the cardinal 

&gt;- the school supply event on the 30th 

&gt;- the art auction 

&gt;... 

&gt; 

&gt;for each of our propoals, it would be best to find a coordinator or 

&gt;facilitator ahead of time so at the end of the meeting, we could have 

&gt;them stand up, announce their location, and have folks who are 

&gt;interested in working on that go to their part of the room. if folks 

&gt;proposed something during the meeting, they could be the default 

&gt;facilitator, or the chairs could make sure someone volunteers to do it 

&gt;when the group is splitting up. 

&gt; 

&gt;my apologies for not thinking of all of this before/during our meeting 

&gt;since it would have been easier to discuss in person than over email. 

&gt; 

&gt;do y'all think this is worth trying? if so, let's put it on the 

&gt;agenda as item #6 (or 5, if the video isn't happening): 

&gt; 

&gt;6) Break up into working groups 

&gt; - working on mapc brochure (X/X) 

&gt; - forming labor caucus (X) 

&gt; - poster distribution (X/X) 

&gt; - poster production (?) 

&gt; ... 

&gt; 

&gt;these are just ideas for facilitators (X + X were talking 

&gt;about the brochure at the cc meeting, X and X are mentioned in 

&gt;the e/o report...) any volunteers for the others? do folks think we 

&gt;need one for any of the events i listed above? 

&gt; 

&gt;what'd y'all think? 

&gt; 

&gt; 

&gt; In solidarity, 

&gt; 

&gt;X 

&gt;International Socialist Organization (www.socialistworker.org) 

&gt;United Faculty and Academic Staff, AFT Local 223 (www.ufas.org) 

&gt; 

&gt; 

&gt;_______________________________________________ 

&gt;coordination@madpeace.org 

&gt;http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-cc 

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Great opportunity!  I hope we encourage it.

-----Original Message-----
From: madpeace-cc-admin@lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com
[mailto:madpeace-cc-admin@lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com]X
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 8:22 PM
To: outreach@madpeace.org; coordination@madpeace.org
Subject: [MAPC-coord] Jim Young at 11/17 Rally


FYI:
As follow up to a call I made to Greenpeace to encourage turnout at
11/17 Rally, Jim Young called (running for governor) to ask if he could
speak for 5 mins. at the Rally.  Would focus on military-industrial
complex.  Told him I would bring up at coordinating meeting &amp; get back
to him Mon.
X (I'm the new "outie" from Outreach &amp; Education)


_______________________________________________
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ACTIVISM
Never, Never, Never Give Up
From war hero to pacifist

Stephanie Salter, Chronicle Columnist    Sunday, November 4, 2001


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During the year Charlie Liteky spent in Lompoc federal prison, he lost 26
pounds, marked his 70th birthday, listened to the life stories of inmates
one- third his age and worshipped weekly in a Lakota Sioux sweatlodge.

A former Catholic priest and Vietnam War hero, Liteky also did a great deal
of reading about Dorothy Day, the founder of the Catholic Worker Movement
and an outspoken pacifist until her death in 1980 at the age of 83.

"I knew about her, of course, but I never realized the extent of her
pacifism or how controversial it made her," said Liteky. "She remained a
pacifist throughout World War II. It cost her a lot of friends and
supporters even in her own movement. That's a kind of courage that's rare."

Liteky knows more than the average person about courage -- and controversy.

As an Army chaplain in Vietnam, he dragged 23 wounded soldiers to safety
during a firefight in Ben Hoa province in 1967. For that he received the
Medal of Honor, our nation's highest award for combat heroism.

Twenty years later, married and no longer a priest, Liteky left his medal at
the base of the Vietnam Memorial in Washington to protest U.S. aid to the
Contras in Nicaragua. He'd already tried a 47-day, water-only fast on the
steps of the Capitol with another vet. It left both of them near death.

In 1990, Liteky and his wife, Judy, a former Catholic nun who had introduced
Charlie to the world of peace activism, were drawn to small protests at the
School of the Americas in Fort Benning, Ga. A training ground for
U.S.-backed Latin American warriors (and the occasional assassin and
dictator), the school now attracts tens of thousands of protesters each
November.

Those who "cross the line" and trespass on the base are often arrested. The
last time Charlie crossed, he was rewarded with a maximum sentence: two
consecutive six-month terms in the Federal Correctional Institute at Lompoc.

Fellow parishioners at the Litekys' San Francisco church, St. John of God,
helped Judy finance monthly visits to the prison 30 miles north of Santa
Barbara. A college math teacher, she became Charlie's eyes, ears and voice
at School of the Americas protest rallies and fundraisers.

Charlie spent his last 70 days in Lompoc in solitary because he refused to
work for what he considers an immoral prison industry. Visits with Judy were
brief and very public. She watched the relatives of other prisoners --
almost all of them young, in prison for drug-related crimes -- try to
maintain some shred of family structure.

"It's a shock," said Judy. "The parents, grandparents -- to see little kids
waiting -- just the intensity of their bodies -- waiting for Dad to come out
of this hallway from behind steel doors. I kept thinking: We can do better
than this."

Charlie was released in July. His plan, after a spate of speaking
engagements, was to write a book about his year in prison in the context of
all he has learned about U.S. foreign policy since Vietnam.

Since Sept. 11, though, he has found it hard to make time for the book; his
message of peaceful conflict resolution has taken on a whole new dimension.

Questions from audiences are more confrontational and demanding. After a
speech in Sacramento, where he spoke about struggling to respond to violence
without violence, he wrote to President Bush.

"I'd talked that night about my own arduous journey toward non-violence --
emotionally, spiritually, every way," he said. "I told the president that I
hoped before he proceeded, he'd recall what we did in Vietnam, in Panama,
all the innocent lives we've taken while seeking what we thought to be
legitimate ends."

Liteky asked Bush to ask himself if the United States was "in any way
responsible" for the terrorist attacks in New York and Washington, to
remember that our economic sanctions alone "are starving 5,000 Iraqi kids to
death each month."

He also shared a major theme of his post-Sept. 11 message:

"If there is any enemy here, it's violence. We need to protest and boycott
violence because we eat, drink and sleep it in our country; we are
entertained by it. If we don't stop, we're just going to join in an unending
cycle of violence, like an escalator that keeps going up and up and up."

On Nov. 16, the Litekys plan to travel to Fort Benning once again to protest
the School of the Americas (now called the Western Hemisphere Institute for
Security Cooperation). Neither intends to cross the line this year, but
future arrests, especially for Charlie, are likely.

"When I was in Lompoc, I was thinking maybe I could retire after my 70th
birthday," Liteky said with a wry smile. "But then I look at Dorothy Day --
my God, I've got at least 10 more years to go."

E-mail Stephanie Salter at ssalter@sfchronicle.com. Charlie Liteky will
address the Commonwealth Club of California in San Francisco on Tuesday at
5:15 p.m. Information: 415/597-6700 or www.commonwealthclub.org.



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Dear WFA Colleagues,

I agree with X that the bombing is not illegal, but I gather that on
every other point I would agree with Heather.

The bombing is legal under article 51 of the UN Charter. It is a fact
that the United States was attacked and continues to be threatened, and
consequently has the right to act in self defense.

However from a practical and moral perspective the legality of bombing
is not very important because it is viewed as illegitimate by many of
the people who matter most in the countries where future terrorists are
dedicating their lives to destroy America. Also it is essentially
irrelevant to the objective of bringing bin Laden to justice or to the
goal of combating terrorism; it is probably counterproductive with
regard to both those aims. For every military target and Taliban soldier
destroyed by the bombing, there are hundreds crossing into Afghanistan
to help the Taliban because of the bombing.

There could have been a better way to bring suspects to justice and to
begin a campaign against terrorism. The Security Council could have
acted under Chapter VII to set up its own multi-stage procedure. Ideally
this would have started with representatives of the Secretary-General
and the Organization of the Islamic Conference going to seek Afghan
compliance with a demand to hand over bin Laden to a new ad hoc
international tribunal in the Hague. If there were not compliance, then
military action could have been taken by a UN Rapid Deployment Force,
using US and UK air cover, but only in a very carefully targeted manner.
This process might not have led to the capture of bin Laden, as the
present process may not, but much less harm would have been done. People
in Muslin countries can not be expected to see justice in an ultimatum
by the United States to hand over bin Laden to a U.S. court. The
government of Afghanistan did offer to hand him over to a third country
if they could have been shown the evidence that he had caused the 9/11
attacks.

If the whole procedure had been done through the UN, by the UN, it might
or might not have worked, but certainly the legitimacy of international
law would have been strengthened. The way it was done in the Security
Council, in effect allowing the U.S. to take all necessary steps, was
understandable in the wake of the horror of the assaults on the United
States, but such carte blanche resolutions do not contribute to the
credibility of the Security Council or to any form of solidarity between
the major powers that prevail in the Council and the people and nations
that view themselves as oppressed by Western hegemony.  I fear that we
have added to a process that will deepen the divide between the rich and
the poor, bringing new recruits to Al Queda to strengthen terrorism
worldwide. I also fear that hatred of our actions and our power and our
use of military power will weaken the stability of a number of
countries; and while I have very little respect for the government of
Saudi Arabia now, I would have even less for a Taliban-type government
there.

A true campaign against terrorism would address its causes and include
many of the programs for strengthening global institutions and
supporting sustainable development that world federalists have long
favored. It would also focus on apprehending individuals, not states, in
efforts to stop criminal actions. It would move beyond a state-centric
interpretation of the rules of the Charter where collective security
tends to mean war and collective retribution; world federalists insist
on individual responsibility under international law.

Because the views I have expressed outline a process for strengthening
international institutions in a way that puts justice, equity and human
rights before the state-centric legalities of the present UN system, I
think such views should be seen as
representing the main stream of world federalist thinking. However,
clearly there can be different views and different streams of thought
within our movement. Also, it is valuable for the process of bringing
more people to our views that we have a positive attitude toward the
fact that the GW Bush Administration is coming to see the limits of
unilateralism and the importance of friends in diverse nations.

X
Director, Economists Against the Arms Race
New York City


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Hi Friends,
You are hereby invited to help poster for the Friendship Fast tomorrow 
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I can't wait to plaster this town!  Handing out fliers went well today but 
it'll be even better once people have seen the poster all over.
Let me know if you can make it.
Peace,
X


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              <text>It is disturbing when the same government that is encouraging all of us to get on with our normal lives is hard at work making sure that things will never be the same in the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and subsequent anthrax scare.

Disturbing, not surprising. Some of the changes would erode our sense of privacy and freedom, and some would have real economic impacts on businesses that folks have fostered on the Internet and elsewhere.
Deep in the heart of the 'Oxley bill' is a provision to allow law enforcement to open and inspect any international mail without a warrant.

A couple of weeks ago, a colleague joked that it wouldn't be long before the government decided that it needed to open our personal mail to "protect us." At about the same time, a proposal to do pretty much that was making its way through our House of Representativesthe workplace of the good folks who asked us to get on with our lives while they quit early and high-tailed it out of D.C. at the first hint of anthrax in stone city.

Deep in the heart of the "Oxley bill"which is the short name for the Financial Anti-Terrorism Act of 2001are provisions to allow law enforcement to poke around in heretofore personal and private financial information; to take cash from anyone who can't immediately explain where they got it; to eliminate any expectation of privacy in any international monetary transaction; and to, gasp, open and inspect any international mail without a warrant.

In addition to raising the hackles of folks such as the American Civil Liberties Union, the proposal gets a thumbs-down from U.S. Postal officials. "For the first time in America's 225-year history, [this] would allow sealed, outbound international mail to be stopped and searched at the border without a warrant. There is no evidence that eroding these long established privacy protections will bring any significant law enforcement improvements over what is achieved using existing, statutorily approved law enforcement techniques," postal officials wrote Congress in regard to the Oxley bill.

If that weren't enough, the Oxley bill, as proposed, would take a bite out of one of the few enterprises making money on the Internet today. Now I understand that casino gambling on the Net already violates federal and most state laws, but the impossibility of enforcement has made it one of the Web's entrepreneurial bright spots. And with gamblers reluctant to jet off to Vegas or Atlantic City, online gaming was poised to have a banner year, even if most of the money is being collected on small, rocky islands in the Atlantic.

But the Oxley bill would put a major kink in the ability of these offshore to accept credit card and wire-transfer funds. Without them, they're cooked. No surprise that in addition to the gamers and the tech companies that support them, the Oxley bill is being met with vocal opposition from the credit card companies. 

Vice is vice, but like the Post Office's argument against tearing open international mail, nobody has yet connected the dots between the legislation and the terrorism we all loathe. How will nixing online gambling make us safer?

The Financial Anti-Terrorism Act of 2001 breezed through the House and reportedly has strong support in the Senate. If it were the only attempt to change our definition of a free and open society, it would be bad enough. But it isn't. As eWEEK has reported, the euphemistically titled Uniting and Strengthening America Act of 2001 encapsulates the best of lawmakers' intentions with the worst of law enforcement expansions. With it, the FBI would have access to just about anything it wants as long as investigators say it has some foreign intelligence value. Judges will be powerless to do anything but issue an order when asked by federal investigators. Scary.

I expect I was one of many persons who received last week a revised copy of my employer's policy for use of their computers and networksalong with a rundown of how they would check on me to make sure I was complying. I don't have a big problem with the warning that I'm about to be Carnivorized, but it did give me pause to think about what's been lost since the world changed six weeks ago. I never spent much time thinking about the search terms I plugged into my Google toolbar. Now I do. A second or two. Multiplied by 7,500 times a day, that comes to... a change in my life I could have done without.

Maybe I can relax and unwind with a little online blackjackwhen I get home, on my own computer, of course. If I can only find a Web casino that'll take a check. 

E-mail eWEEK Department Editor Chris Gonsalves 
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 This is really touching and really relevant....

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 From: x
 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:05:19 -0400 (EDT)
 To: x
 Subject: Worldwide Reactions


 This is the most moving discussion thread I've ever read:


http://arstechnica.infopop.net/OpenTopic/page?q=Y&amp;a=tpc&amp;s=50009562&amp;f=3470983
4 &amp;
 m=4640913172&amp;p=1

 If by some chance I have mangled the link, go to www.ars-technica.com, and
 click on the link under the heading "Best Thread Ever".

 - x


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hello all,
i apologize to back out on what i said i could do, but if someone else
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all that requires, instead of me, it would be greatly appreciated and i am
volunteering to do this some other time in the future.  just trying to be
practical, i really should be cramming to get alot done before i leave for
NY for thanksgiving, etc. on Monday or Tuesday.  please!!!

thanks, X

_______________________________________________
coordination@madpeace.org
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-cc

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From: X

Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 7:25 PM

To: XX

Subject: PLEASE READ!!! THIS IS HORRIFYING TO ME!!!!


     
HEY GANG!



I still have shivers after reading this!!  I think YOU will too!  Though people can make mistakes in their youth, I have to take offense and issue to what is revealed here!  As much as I don't wish to believe it's content, in the pit of my stomach, I somehow find this very possible, especially because of whence it came.  This came to me from an  Aunt and Uncle who don't usually deal in "junk mail" on any level.  They are not ever known for purporting or presenting what we would refer to as "garbage"..   OK well I think I've added my two cents worth here... You decide?  I usually go by instinct and guts..  I may not always be 100% correct, but usually not too far off either...  What ashamee, I'd like to be wrong in this instance in the worse way!  How sad!



                                                                 Take Care,..Luv,....Haze/Mark


From: x
To: x
Subject: Fw: (none)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 09:46:37 -0500

HONORING A TRAITOR

This is for all the kids born in the 70's that do not remember this, and
didn't have to bear the burden, that our fathers, mothers, and older
brothers and sisters had to bear.  Jane Fonda is being honored as one of
the "100 women of the Century."  Unfortunately, many have forgotten and
still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only
the idea of our country but specific men who
served and sacrificed during Vietnam. The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot. The pilot's name is Jerry
Driscoll, a River Rat.  In 1978, the former Commandant of the USAF
Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison-the "Hanoi Hilton."
Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in
clean PJs, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American "Peace
Activist", the "lenient and humane treatment" he'd received.  He spat at Ms.
Fonda, was clubbed, and dragged away. During the subsequent beating,
he fell forward upon the camp commandant's feet, which sent that officer
berserk. In '78, the AF Col. still suffered from double vision (which
permanently ended his flying days) from the Vietnamese Col.'s frenzied
application of a wooden baton.
From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4Es).  He
spent 6 years in the "Hilton"- the first three of which he was "missing in
action".
His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the
cleaned/fed/clothed routine in preparation for a "peace delegation" visit.

They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that
they still survived.  Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his SSN
on it, in the palm of his hand.  When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a
cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking
little encouraging snippets like:
"Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?" and "Are you grateful for the
humane treatment from your benevolent captors?"
Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of
paper.  She took them all without missing a beat.  At the end of the line
and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the
POWs, she turned to the officer in charge and handed him the little
pile of papers. Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Col.
Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only
reason we know about, her actions that day.
I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam, and was
captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968,
and held for over 5 years.  I spent 27 months in solitary confinement, one
year in a cage in Cambodia, and one year in a "black box" in Hanoi.
My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a
female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South Vietnam,
whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border.  At one time, I
was weighing approximately 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs.) We
were Jane Fonda's "war criminals."  When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I
was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to
meet with Jane Fonda.  I said yes, for I would like to tell her about the
real
treatment we POWs received different from the treatment purported by the
North Vietnamese, and parroted by Jane Fonda, as "humane and lenient."
Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees with
outstretched arms with a large amount of steel placed on my hands, and
beaten with a bamboo cane till my arms dipped.  I had the opportunity to
meet with Jane Fonda for a couple of hours after I was released.
I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV.  She did not
answer me.
This does not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of
"100 Years of Great Women."  Lest we forget..."100 years of great women"
should never include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of
so many patriots.  There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to,
but Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant treason, is one of them.
Please take the time to forward to as many people as you possibly can.
It will eventually end up on her computer and she needs to know that we
will never forget.
We were young once...and soldiers!
The DH




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Coordinating committee... since we put so much effort into attempting
to control this, I thought you would want to be kept abreast
of current info.  As things stand right now, the reporter seems
to be pretty much in control of the situation.  This is neither
a bad nor a good thing in my opinion.  Anyway, here is some further
info on the situation.
x

&gt;--- Original Message ---
&gt;From: "x" &lt;x&gt;
&gt;To: x
&gt;Date: 10/17/01 11:53:34 AM
&gt;

&gt;
&gt;x, what's the latest on this?  There has been a lot of give
&gt;and take on a panel, and the composition of the panel and so
&gt;forth.  What I understand today is that there will be no panel
&gt;but that a list of people to be interviewed is kind of being
&gt;assembled by you and x.  I think this is fine, but I hope
&gt;you'll keep us in the loop so the Media committee knows what
&gt;efforts have been made.  Frankly, I think we may all suffer
from
&gt;a bit of self importance. x is going to do a piece
suitable
&gt;for the Wis State Journal.  Anyone who talks to him should know
&gt;that his/her perspectives will be spun to fit a pre-conceived
&gt;editorial slant to the right.  That said, I personally have
no
&gt;problem with you and a set of students going forward to present
&gt;your views to x.  This is not going to be a short campaign
&gt;and as long as we individually and jointly behave ethically
and
&gt;speak the truth as we understand it, then the MAP COALITION
will
&gt;advance on a broad front with the common goals of achieving
peace
&gt;and justice.
&gt;
&gt;So...  if x is after a "student peace movement" piece, then
&gt;fine.  Students are certainly part of this coalition.  But I
&gt;haven't heard directly what he is really after.  My impression
&gt;was that he wanted to do a personality piece on you first, and
&gt;that we have tried to re-focus his attention on the Coalition.
&gt; Let me know how things are going and what your plans are. 
The
&gt;Media Committee will meet again Monday at 6pm to begin to hash
&gt;out a "Media Strategy."  If we had one, then we would know how
&gt;to relate to situation like the one you have brought us.
&gt;x
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Just thought I'd pass along this summary of a few humanitarian aid
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http://www.commondreams.org/news2001/1029-07.htm

X
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x,

This is the liaison FROM Communications TO Policy, to assist you in using
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the confusion, this may have been discussed at the cc meeting you missed.

x


&gt;From: "x" &lt;x&gt;
&gt;Reply-To: x
&gt;To: &lt;x&gt;
&gt;Subject: RE: [MAPC-coord] liaisons list
&gt;Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:42:42 -0500
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&gt;As the policy outie, I have to say I have no idea who x is!
&gt;I'm not sure who our liaison should be as policy is so small.  x is a good bet.
&gt;
&gt;x
&gt;
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&gt;[mailto:x]On Behalf Of
&gt;x
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&gt;To: x
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&gt;
&gt;
&gt;Arts - x
&gt;OutEd - x
&gt;Action - x
&gt;Funds - x
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Hi Everyone,
   Just now I ran into X in the City-County Building, so I was
finally able to discuss the resolution with him.
   Upshot is, he'll talk to other alders and get back to me.
   I tried to emphasize the 11/14 deadline.  But at this point I think I
just have to wait.  I also sent another e-mail to X last night asking
her to be a co-sponsor with X.
   X said he'd probably talk with his fellow progressive alders before the
Common Council budget meeting X tomorrow night.
   So this means we won't have anything to report to the big group Tuesday
most likely.
   X explained to me that he believes the worst thing is to introduce a
resolution and it gets 3 votes.  He felt this was destructive, sends the
message the city isn't for peace, etc.  He feels it's best to float
something only when you have enough support for passage.  So this may end up
being debated after Thanksgiving after all.
   It's interesting.  One school of thought seems to be that even an
introduction of a resolution is positive since it generates debate.  Another
school is that some collegiality among progressive alders must be preserved,
divisiveness must be avoided, and you don't want to waste political capital
on something that has no chance of passing.
   So we've done what we can.  I'll let you know what I find out.
   Should we do a County resolution?

Regards,
X
XXX-XXXX (day)
XXX-XXXX (evening)



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Hi all,

We need tto talk about strategy.  We can still do this and have it ready
for the vote at the Council's next meeting if necessary, but that way
things would have to figured out quickly, very quickly since a sponsor
would need to get it to the City Clerk's office by 9am on Thursday at
the latest.

Things to take into consideration are things X pointed out, plus
building up having 11 support the weaker resolution -- alot of that
would fall on the backs of the supporting alders, together with a surge
of communications from MAPC members and other supporters to their
alders.

I'll have time to write/talk/meet tomorrow or later.

X
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Title:	Humanitarian Priorities in Afghanistan

A RESOLUTION regarding the urgent need to provide emergency humanitarian
assistance and development assistance to civilians in Afghanistan, including
Afghan refugees in surrounding countries.


WHEREAS,	a disastrous humanitarian crisis is underway, with an estimated 7.5
million people in Afghanistan facing critical food shortage or outright
starvation this winter; and

WHEREAS,	70 percent of these people are women and children, and the UN
estimates 400,000 children under five will likely die this year, an increase
of 100,000 over last year; and

WHEREAS, 	food aid shipments have been disrupted because of U.S bombing in
Afghanistan; and

WHEREAS,	the aid agencies active in the region, including the Nobel laureate
Doctors Without Borders (MSF), Oxfam International and the World Food
Program have stated that the U.S. food
drops can not meet the increasing and urgent need for assistance; and

WHEREAS,	Madison now participates directly and indirectly in U.S. military
efforts through many channels, including the federal taxes its citizens pay,
and through its citizens' participation in the armed forces; and

WHEREAS,	the Mayor and Common Council are appalled at the mass starvation
that will result from these actions to which they are a party if the
situation is not speedily addressed; and

WHEREAS,	The Mayor and Common Council deplore the dishonor such an outcome
would be for the victims of the terrorist attacks of September 11th;

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT the Mayor and Common Council support a
resolution to the situation that minimizes loss of life; and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT humanitarian concerns must now be a top priority
for U.S. policy toward Afghanistan, especially as there exists a narrow
window of opportunity for supplying food to the region's population before
winter makes this difficult or impossible.  The Madison Common Council calls
on the federal government to defer to the judgement of international aid
agencies that a cessation in bombing is necessary to avoid humanitarian
disaster; and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT the Madison Common Council calls on
Afghanistan's neighbors to immediately reopen their borders to allow for the
safe passage of refugees, and the U.S. and other members of the
international community must be prepared to contribute to the economic costs
incurred by the flight of desperate Afghan civilians; and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT the Madison Common Council calls on the federal
government to actively support the work of various agencies to deliver
assistance in Afghanistan, particularly through overland truck convoys, and
support safe humanitarian access to affected populations, in partnership
with humanitarian agencies in quantities sufficient to alleviate a large
scale humanitarian catastrophe; and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT the Madison Common Council calls on the federal
government to contribute to efforts by the international community to
provide long-term, sustainable reconstruction and development assistance for
the people of Afghanistan, including efforts to protect the basic human
rights of women and children; and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT the Madison Common Council calls on the
international community to support democratic processes in Afghanistan
leading to a government which represents all its people, including women.

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT the Madison Common Council on behalf of the
people of Madison, in solidarity with the international community and in
their capacity as citizens of the United States, urges the federal
government to put humanitarian concerns first and will consider the
Government of the United States responsible for both the direct consequences
of its military actions in Afghanistan and for the results of its
indifference to the priority of humanitarian concerns in Afghanistan and the
surrounding region.


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Sounds pretty good.  I'm comfortable with you using your judgement to
incorporate comments others have made.

X


&gt;From: "X" &lt;X&gt;
&gt;Reply-To: coordination@madpeace.org
&gt;To: &lt;coordination@madpeace.org&gt;
&gt;Subject: [MAPC-coord] First paragraph of CC mission statement
&gt;Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 01:07:56 -0600
&gt;
&gt;As X stated, the first paragraph was the toughest to write. I think the
&gt;following text flows the best, using X's edits and mine. Any feedback?
&gt;
&gt;The main decision-making body of MAPC is the General Meeting. The General
&gt;Meeting sets the politics and the overall direction of MAPC. The
&gt;Coordinating Committee ensures that the decisions of the General Meeting
&gt;are
&gt;implemented. The CC takes its direction from the General Meeting, and is
&gt;accountable to the membership. All decisions made by the CC are subject to
&gt;discussion and review by the General Meeting.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;_______________________________________________
&gt;coordination@madpeace.org
&gt;http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-cc


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That's the world federalist website, www.wfa.org, the statement I quoted
the other day had the word "perhaps" as a compromise between hawks and
doves in the association.

"WFA is greatly troubled by the fact that innocent civilians were killed

here in America on 9-11 and are now being killed in Afghanistan.  We
work to
make obsolete such crude, reactionary violence.  Since long before 9-11
we
have advocated -- and made some important progress towards -- a global
intelligence, law enforcement, and court system that would interdict
such
global criminals before they act, and then arrest and try in a
court-of-law
those who do manage to carry out such crimes.  Lacking such a structural

solution, however, the hastily-formed coalition that has been cobbled
together since 9-11 will at best achieve vigilantism (not justice) as it

tries to get Bin Ladin dead or alive, killing many more innocents in the

process.  Is such vigilantism better than nothing?  Perhaps.
Regardless,
WFA will continue the fight for real global security and justice.
Terrorism
is a complex persistent problem, and we need more than an ad-hoc
coalition
to fight it.  If President Bush and other American citizens sincerely
want
long-term global security, then we call upon them to join our cause."


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Just talked to X.  She says work with X, try to get
him to sponsor the stronger one, push for debate before Thanksgiving.  So
I'm working on that plan.  I have his day (work) number, and will try to set
up a meeting with him (and include any who can come).  We need to either
file by title only for tomorrow, or maybe we can do it on 11/13 (I will find
out).

X nixed the intro by communication idea.  She also said pick
one title (Shall we go with "Humanitarian Priorities in Afghanistan"?)  Then
we put the strong text forward, and be ready to sub in the weaker text later
if necessary.  She's has a wealth of practical tips.

I promise to slack off on the e-mail as soon as we get this going.


&gt;From: X &lt;X&gt;
&gt;Reply-To: policy@madpeace.org
&gt;To: &lt;policy@madpeace.org&gt;
&gt;CC: &lt;X&gt;
&gt;Subject: Re: [MAPC-policy] resolution update
&gt;Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 10:32:15 -0600
&gt;
&gt;hi X. and all,
&gt;
&gt;Thanks for all your work on this!  To clarify - who exactly have you been
&gt;talking to and do you have any sense for how representative their views are
&gt;(at least for the progressive caucus)?  I realize that you'll know all that
&gt;better after Thurs night.
&gt;
&gt;Ideally, I guess I'd like to see the "stronger" resolution introduced as a
&gt;communication and have the "weaker" one be introduced by one or (hopefully)
&gt;more progressive alders.  If that's not going to happen - and it sounds
&gt;unlikely from what you've sent - I think we need to pressure the alders
&gt;we've been talking to to introduce the "weaker" one before T'ksgiving.  I
&gt;have to say I'm really disappointed that they're hesitant to do anything
&gt;before T'ksgiving.  After all, the reality we're addressing is an impending
&gt;massive humanitarian crisis.  Jeeeeeeezus.  THEY need a breather????
&gt;
&gt;I don't know anything about resolutions introduced as a communication w/out
&gt;any alder sponsors, but it seems to me that doing that with our "weaker",
&gt;more likely to pass resolution will flag it as unacceptable to the council.
&gt;If I were a middle of the road alder and saw that none of the PD alders had
&gt;signed on, I sure as heck wouldn't vote for it.  (But I think it'd be fine
&gt;to introduce the "stronger" one like that, if we do still decide to
&gt;introduce it.)
&gt;
&gt;So, I guess - with the current info we have - I feel ambivalent about the
&gt;"stronger" resolution.  If it will help the "weaker" one pass to introduce
&gt;it - by communication or by an alder - then I say we go for it.  But the
&gt;people we need to talk to for this analysis are the PD alders who are
&gt;balking at the "weaker" one.
&gt;
&gt;I strongly feel that we should have SOMETHING - preferably the "weaker" one
&gt;unchanged from where we left it (or at least not substantially changed)
&gt;voted on by Nov 20.  I feel the broader MAPC would agree with this -
&gt;remember, at the last meeting the 1st vote was unanimous support for us
&gt;bringing SOMETHING to the council (with a sense of urgency regarding the
&gt;imminent starvation of millions), and the 2nd was in support of the
&gt;2-pronged strategy.  If we have more info now that the 2-pronged strategy
&gt;won't work, the directive from the 1st vote still stands.
&gt;
&gt;That's my rambling input for now.
&gt;
&gt;-X
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Hi Everyone,
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; The progressive caucus thought they would be ready to act on something
&gt; &gt; AFTER Thanksgiving.  Apparently changing "prayers" to "sympathies" was
&gt;very
&gt; &gt; divisive last time, so they needed a breather.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I still haven't gotten the in-depth feedback on this--Thursday night I
&gt; &gt; should.  X has been appointed to do this for me.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; X suggested we intro the whole text as a "communication" (no
&gt; &gt; alder's name attached).  That could be done BEFORE Thanksgiving.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; My first step though will be to call X, to make sure I am
&gt; &gt; acting on her excellent strategy advice.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I'd like the Policy Committee's input on something though.  How far do
&gt;we
&gt; &gt; pursue the two-pronged approach?  What I'm hearing from the progressive
&gt; &gt; alders is that they don't want something too "divisive" (presumably to
&gt;their
&gt; &gt; own caucus?), which means they want to back the weakest thing we've
&gt; &gt; presented them with.  If we are going to introduce one final text "as a
&gt; &gt; communication" I definitely need the Policy Committee's OK on what that
&gt; &gt; final text should be.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; OK, I'll get back to you when I know more.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Sorry about all the e-mail.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; --X
&gt; &gt;
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&gt;
&gt;____________________________________________
X
&gt;East Timor Action Network field organizer   ETAN field office
&gt;diane@etan.org                              	Social Justice Center
&gt;office XXX-XXX-XXXX                         1202 Williamson St
&gt;cell XXX-XXX-XXXX                           Madison, WI 53703
&gt;home XXX-XXX-XXXX                           fax XXX-XXX-XXXX
&gt;
&gt;Check out these internet sites!
&gt;the East Timor Action Network/US      http://www.etan.org
&gt;Madison, WI - East Timor projects     http://www.aideasttimor.org
&gt;Madison's Social Justice Center       http://www.socialjusticecenter.org
&gt;
&gt;"We struggled for more than 24 years for independence. We've learned the
&gt;lesson that even small people have a voice."
&gt;     -East Timorese leader Mari Alkatiri, during the August 30, 2001
&gt;Constituent Assembly vote
&gt;
&gt;
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I think this is a very good idea.  It would be a change of style in our
meetings, and I guess it would depend on what business might need to be
discussed at the meeting.  Depending on the agenda and the length of the
video,
we could always show part of it instead of its entirety also.

X

gail vick wrote:

&gt; I've emailed X to see how long this is, but if it's not too short, we
&gt; might consider playing some or all of it at the next GM, as it will be
just
&gt; the week before the 11/17 event.
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&gt; X
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&gt; &gt;From: "X" &lt;X&gt;
&gt; &gt;To: &lt;X&gt;,   "Outreach &amp; Education: X"
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&gt; &gt;Subject: video on school of the americas
&gt; &gt;Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 23:43:04 -0600
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;I just wanted to let you know that I own a video on the school of the
&gt; &gt;Americas, titled "Guns and Greed".  It documents the history of actions
&gt; &gt;of the soa, who funds them, why these civilian populations have been
&gt; &gt;slaughtered, what role the soa plays in the wto, globalization and
&gt; &gt;capitalism.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;I thought you might want this for the upcoming protest.  Let me know if
&gt; &gt;you do.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; X
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