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Also, I must apologise. I was using "x" e-mail account,
but the original e-mail actually came from me, x.

- -----Original Message-----
From: x
[mailto:x]On Behalf Of x
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:12 PM
To: x; x
Subject: Re: [MAPC-coord] Re: [MAPC-media] Fwd: Possible person's
name 


On Tue, 16 Oct 2001 22:50:27 -0500  "x" wrote:

&gt; I think we should consider asking x not to speak (even though he
&gt; has agreed to), to make room for a non-student. I think x might be a good candidate. He is one of the spokespeople
&gt; for the group, and has been active for years in treaty rights and
&gt; anti-mining organizing. He actually has a base of support in
&gt; upstate and rural Wisconsin.

last i heard, x was still a grad student here at UW.  so, even
though he doesn't look the part, he's still technically a student.
don't get me wrong, i think he'd be a great person to be in on the
interview, but that's b/c he knows his shit backwards and forwards,
and has experience dealing w/ the media, not b/c he's a non-student.

and, regarding painting ourselves as too student-like....

over 600 students came out to a campus rally in mid september.  all
of
our actions have been attended by a large number of students.  the
people who made the trip to DC for the nat'l march against the war
were predominantly students.  if this article is about the anti-war
movement as a whole, not just about mapc, i think 1/2 student is a
very accurate picture of who's been involved.  even mapc has a lot of
students involved in its organizing and activities.

 In solidarity,

x
International Socialist Organization
United Faculty and Academic Staff, AFT Local 223



_______________________________________________
media@madpeace.org
Madpeace-media@madpeace.org
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-media

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You could have an alder (or more) intoduce the resolution "BY TITLE ONLY"
which
would be due at the City clerk's desk by 9am tomorrow.  This means that just
the
title of the resolution could be given to the Clerk by 9am tomorrow and then
the
text itself could be worked on before the meeting for Nov. 13 (I doubt since
that
is budget night; I think we'd want more time for community members speak
than
they would allow) or Nov.20.  There's no possibility at this point to have
it
introduced and voted on for the Nov. 6 meeting because that was due at noon
today.

You could also have it intoduced from the floor of the Council at the end of
their Nov. 6 meeting, including text, but again, the voting would be
happening
Nov. 20.

At any rate, this way there should be adequate time for both MAPC and the
alders
involved to have it figured out.  It would need to be approved by MAPC at
the
very latest by Tuesday, Nov. 13 since the Clerk would need the complete
resolution by noon of the following day.

We should speak with X, X and X before any
others
regarding the "stronger" version.  X and/or X are our best bets and
then
X, only because a new guy in politics.

I'd be happy to conttinue to be of assistance to you regarding this -- just
keep
me posted.  We can also talk about strategy together.

peace,  X

X wrote:

&gt; Thanks for taking the lead on this, X (and for braving the
&gt; presentation last night).
&gt;
&gt; My feeling from the meeting was that the "two pronged" approach people
want
&gt; us to follow is:
&gt;     * proceeding with our ("weaker" - ick, I hate that characterization)
&gt; initial resolution, slightly amended - deleting the "U.S. support
democratic
&gt; processes" clause AND adding a clause DIRECTLY calling for the bombing to
&gt; stop;
&gt;     * drawing up and also trying to introduce to the Council a resolution
&gt; more directly reflecting the 3 MAPC points of unity - in other words,
&gt; calling directly and emphatically for the bombing to stop but not limiting
&gt; the reason given for it to humanitarian purposes, etc.
&gt;
&gt; X, what did you understand from the meeting?  The feedback was a
little
&gt; confusing.  Basically, people felt that (as a peace coalition) we needed
to
&gt; at least attempt to get a strong anti-bombing resolution passed, and that
&gt; even if it didn't pass it would help generate debate on the issue and be
&gt; something for us to organize people around.  Then we'd have the other,
more
&gt; politically palatable humanitarian-focused resolution which would
hopefully
&gt; pass (and send a message nationwide).
&gt;
X, what do you think?  It doesn't seem like we'll be able to
throw
&gt; something together by this Thursday, especially since we need to make sure
&gt; that we adequately represent the feelings of the wider MAPC group AND we
&gt; need to talk to a number of Alders about the 2 resolutions (and give them
&gt; time to ponder them/ confer with others).
&gt;
&gt; take care,
&gt; X
&gt;
&gt; PS- the next few council meetings are (all Tues nights):
&gt; November 6, 2001 6:30 p.m. Room 201, City-County Bldg.
&gt; November 13, 2001 BUDGET 6:30 p.m. Room 201, City-County Bldg.
&gt; November 20, 2001 6:30 p.m. Room 201, City-County Bldg.
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Dear Committee,
&gt; &gt; Last night we got the mandate from MAPC to float both a stronger "stop
&gt; &gt; the bombing" resolution, and a weaker one (the one posted to the
discussion
&gt; &gt; list and handed out last night).
&gt; &gt; I was somewhat dismayed to realize today that the deadline for filing
&gt; &gt; resolutions for the next meeting is today at noon, or tomorrow at noon
for
&gt; &gt; addendum.
&gt; &gt; So I took the liberty of contacting by e-mail all the alders X
&gt; &gt; suggested we approach (5 or 6).  I presented them with both
copies.
&gt; &gt; The stronger language I inserted was to replace the next-to-last clause
&gt; &gt; with "BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT the United States should immediately
stop
&gt; &gt; military action against Afghanistan because that is the main obstacle to
&gt; &gt; addressing the humanitarian catastrophe there; and."  Otherwise, it's
the
&gt; &gt; same as the one posted to the discussion list.
&gt; &gt; X got back to me right away saying he needs to take the
&gt; &gt; weekend at least to discuss with his colleagues.  I thanked him.
&gt; &gt; I'm sorry for acting unilaterally.  The deadline got me panicked.  Now
&gt; &gt; we know we have definitely missed the upcoming 11/6 Common Council
meeting.
&gt; &gt; Though on the other hand, we've got the ball rolling.
&gt; &gt; I'll forward X's response in case you're interested.
&gt; &gt; I believe there's still room for wordsmithing, so keep me informed on
&gt; &gt; your wishes.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; X
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Dear X,
     We have shared preliminary language with about 6 of the alders we think
might be most supportive.  We have not heard their feedback yet.
     Thus we likely will not have text available for your press packet
tomorrow.
     However, the Policy Committee has agreed on two titles, and if we get
the go-ahead from alders, those MIGHT be ready for the press packet.
There's a small chance we could have those titles submitted formally to the
council tonight (though I doubt it).  I'm going to try to talk to an alder
or two tonight before the Common Council meeting.  I'll get back to you with
what I find out.
     The deadline for having an alder submit to the Common Council office a
complete, finalized text of a resolution for us is 11/14 (next Wednesday).
This means the resolution could be introduced and debated on 11/20, I
understand.  We will be working with alders to try to meet that 11/14
deadline.

X
XXX-XXXX (day)
XXX-XXXX (evening)
X

_________________________________________________________________
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp


_______________________________________________
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http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-policy


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On Tue, 16 Oct 2001 22:50:27 -0500  "x" wrote:

&gt; I think we should consider asking x not to speak (even though he has
&gt; agreed to), to make room for a non-student. I think x might
be
&gt; a good candidate. He is one of the spokespeople for the group, and has
been
&gt; active for years in treaty rights and anti-mining organizing. He actually
&gt; has a base of support in upstate and rural Wisconsin.

last i heard, x was still a grad student here at UW.  so, even
though he doesn't look the part, he's still technically a student.
don't get me wrong, i think he'd be a great person to be in on the
interview, but that's b/c he knows his shit backwards and forwards,
and has experience dealing w/ the media, not b/c he's a non-student.

and, regarding painting ourselves as too student-like....

over 600 students came out to a campus rally in mid september.  all of
our actions have been attended by a large number of students.  the
people who made the trip to DC for the nat'l march against the war
were predominantly students.  if this article is about the anti-war
movement as a whole, not just about mapc, i think 1/2 student is a
very accurate picture of who's been involved.  even mapc has a lot of
students involved in its organizing and activities.

 In solidarity,

x
International Socialist Organization
United Faculty and Academic Staff, AFT Local 223
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I made a few pages devoted to the Logo discussion it's here:

	http://madpeace.org/Wiki/LogoDiscussion

X

------------------------------------------------------------------------
X




_______________________________________________
discuss@madpeace.org mailing list
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-discuss

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Sounds great.  We're on the agenda.


-----Original Message-----
From: X
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 5:31 PM
To: policy@madpeace.org
Subject: [MAPC-policy] thoughts on city resolution


hi all,

A few thoughts to pass on (after having talked to X)...

First, it doesn't seem to me as though it's worthwhile trying to continue
with a two-pronged approach.  We're having enough trouble getting the
"weaker" resolution introduced - let's focus our efforts on that.

Second, it seems as though we might alienate the progressive caucus by
pushing to have the resolution voted on at the Nov 20 city council meeting.
(Leading me to think we need a FOURTH party, but that's a rant for another
time.)

However, I'm thinking it might be effective to follow up on a suggestion
from X, that we have (a few thoughtfully chosen) people go to the
city council meeting on Nov 20 and demand they address the situation.  That
will set the stage and demonstrate a real people's mandate for the
resolution to be introduced and voted on at the next council meeting on Dec
4.

Barbara's going to get this included on the agenda of the general MAPC
meeting tomorrow night (6:30, Memorial Union, TITU).  I suggest we use our
time at the general meeting to:
    * summarize our efforts, especially the reluctance/ resistance of the
progressive caucus to introduce the resolution
    * propose that we organize a small, well-chosen delegation of
individuals to demand the city council address the impending humanitarian
crisis at the 11/20 council meeting
    * push and fight like hell to have the resolution introduced, voted on,
and ADOPTED at the Dec 4 council meeting
    * get feedback from the larger MAPC group on this plan, along with
thoughts on who we should recruit for the Nov 20 delegation (I'm thinking
community, religious, campus, business leaders).

Whad'y'all think?

-X
____________________________________________
X
East Timor Action Network field organizer   X

Check out these internet sites!
the East Timor Action Network/US      http://www.etan.org
Madison, WI - East Timor projects     http://www.aideasttimor.org
Madison's Social Justice Center       http://www.socialjusticecenter.org

"Independence is not about having a flag, a president, a parliament, a
government. Independence must imply, year by year, gradual change in the
life of the entire population of Timor Lorosa'e. If we fail to effect
change in the daily life of the people, independence will be a meaningless
concept, all our sacrifices throughout the years of the struggle will be in
vain. And not one of us will allow this to occur."
-Kay Rala Xanana Gusmão



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&gt;
&gt;Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 10:37:56 -0500
&gt;
&gt;800 Unionists from 100 Countries Adopt Statement on
&gt;Terrorism; ICFTU Damns WTO Deal
&gt;
&gt;International Metalworkers Federation Congress adopts statement on
terrorism
&gt;
&gt;800 delegates from 100 countries adopt a statement on the struggle against
&gt;terrorism.
&gt;
&gt;SYDNEY: The 30th IMF World Congress, composed of 800 delegates from 100
&gt;countries, has adopted a statement on the struggle against terrorism.
&gt;
&gt;"Although not a unanimous vote, the overwhelming majority in favor of the
&gt;statement shows that we are able to put aside our differences and personal
&gt;views, and unite behind a call for the fight against terrorism," IMF
&gt;assistant general secretary Brian Fredricks says.
&gt;
&gt;"In addressing the question of terror, the Congress also - in a spirit of
&gt;solidarity - addresses the issue of poverty," Fredricks stresses.
&gt;
&gt;Below follows the text of the adopted statement, in English. Links to the
&gt;statement in other languages can be found at the bottom of this page.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
&gt;
&gt;IMF Statement on the Struggle against Terrorism
&gt;
&gt;The IMF and its affiliates meeting at the IMF's 30 World Congress in
&gt;Sydney, Australia from 11-15 November 2001, reiterate their outrage and
&gt;condemnation of the terrorist attacks in the USA on September 11, 2001
&gt;which led to the death of over 5,000 innocent American and foreign
&gt;civilians, and injured thousands more. We express our full solidarity,
&gt;sympathy and friendship with the families of the victims in the USA and
&gt;abroad..
&gt;
&gt;This unprecedented terrorist act is an attack on the fundamental human
&gt;rights to freedom, security and self-determination. It is an attack on the
&gt;human dignity of all peoples and the basic values of peace and democracy
&gt;which the international trade union movement has upheld and fought for
&gt;throughout its entire history.
&gt;
&gt;Terrorism such as on September 11 in the USA or in any other forms has no
&gt;place in our world. The IMF and its affiliates support the global efforts
&gt;to combat terrorism, and urges nations to make common cause in bringing to
&gt;justice and punishing those responsible for the barbarism and cruelty of
&gt;the September 11 attacks.
&gt;
&gt;This Congress recognizes that military actions as authorized by
&gt;international law should be conducted so as to serve a primary goal to
&gt;protect innocent civilian lives.
&gt;
&gt;That is why the IMF also calls on the international community to take all
&gt;possible measures for the protection of the rights and well-being of
&gt;innocent civilians and refugees in its struggle against terrorism.
&gt;
&gt;Moreover, the international community must address the root causes that
&gt;swell the ranks of terrorists. The fight against terrorism must remove the
&gt;appeal of fanatical causes by dealing with poverty and underdevelopment,
&gt;displacement, desperation and bitterness that are nurtured by a
&gt;fundamentally unjust global order. Poverty, injustice and policies that
&gt;favor one people over another invariably provide recruits for the armies of
&gt;the intolerant.
&gt;
&gt;The fight against terrorism is also a fight against tax havens and lax
&gt;financial regulations which, in the name of liberalism, have facilitated
&gt;the financing of these murderous activities. The IMF has long struggled for
&gt;appropriate measures to eliminate illegitimate financial transactions.
&gt;
&gt;Lasting peace can only be based on social progress and the full respect of
&gt;human rights and self-determination everywhere in the world. It requires a
&gt;broad international commitment to fight the glaring inequalities between
&gt;and within countries and the implementation of even-handed policies with
&gt;respect to contending national and ethnic groups. The IMF therefore urges
&gt;its affiliates to build political pressure on their governments to take
&gt;specific actions to foster democracy and a balanced economic and social
&gt;development for all. This must also include policy initiatives by national
&gt;governments towards the United Nations and other international institutions
&gt;of global governance in furtherance of these goals.
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;[November 14, 2001]
&gt;============================================
&gt;IMF Congress News
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;       Resolution
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;       Resolution on the lifting of the Cuban Embargo
&gt;       Noting:
&gt;         The Cuban people have been under embargo by successive US
&gt;         administrations for the past 41 years.
&gt;         That all peoples have a fundamental right to determine their
social,
&gt;         economic and political development.
&gt;         That Cuba is subjected to unfair treatment, because it is
&gt;singled out by
&gt;         policy criteria that are not similarly applied to other states.
&gt;         Cuba has succeeded in building a comprehensive public education
and
&gt;         health sector that caters for its entire people without any
&gt;         discrimination.
&gt;         That the continuing embargo constitutes a violation of several
U.N.
&gt;         resolutions and motions, which were adopted with an overwhelming
&gt;         majority of UN member states.
&gt;       Believing:
&gt;         The embargo against Cuba violates not only the sovereignty
&gt;of Cuba, but
&gt;         impedes political developments that would allow the realisation of
its
&gt;         peoples right to self-determination.
&gt;         The embargo is obstructing the involvement of the Cuban people in
the
&gt;         international community, and the restrictions resulting from it
are
&gt;         hindering autonomous trade union development.
&gt;         Like all humanity, the Cubans deserve a better life, including
full
&gt;         political democracy and trade union rights, which are absent under
&gt;         present conditions.
&gt;       Therefore resolve:
&gt;         To condemn in the strongest terms the embargo that has
&gt;imposed enormous
&gt;         suffering on the Cuban people.
&gt;         To support the fight to lift the embargo, side by side with the
Cuban
&gt;         people and many governments, trade unions, and NGO's which will
&gt;         contribute to fostering democratic pluralism and trade union and
human
&gt;         rights.
&gt;         That IMF affiliates work with their national centres to
&gt;ensure that the
&gt;         ICFTU and the rest of the global labour movement intensifies the
&gt;         campaign for the lifting of the embargo.
&gt;       [November 12, 2001]
&gt;

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Surprised?  By Bob Reuschlein,  realeconomy.com,  madpeace.org
President's Home State Gets Next Fighter Plane Contract
     October 26, 2001.  The pentagon announced today that the F-35 Joint
Strike Fighter, a $200 Billion project was awarded to Lockheed's Fort
Worth (Dallas) Texas factory, rather than Boeing's St. Louis, Missouri
factory.  This continues a long proud tradition of awarding major
defense contracts based always on politics and sometimes on merit.  Many
presidents and top congressional leaders have built their careers around
these two facilities.
    St. Louis is the leading military spending city with $7 Billion and
has long been at the top of the list, thanks to being in the home state
of the first Cold War president, Harry Truman, and the home city of
current Democratic congressional leader, Dick Gephardt.
Fort Worth has the distinction of being in the home state  of three
presidents, Lyndon Johnson and two named George Bush, and one Speaker of
the Houses home district, Jim Wright, and in the home state of another
Speaker of the House, Sam Rayburn.  In the sixties the F-111 contract
had to be bid out three times before President Johnson could award the
contract to his home state over what many considered a superior Boeing
bid.
    Today the Lockheed bid is considered better so Bush can accept the
first bid.  Another nominal factor is that a pure military contractor
like Lockheed will be more desperate to get the job than a commercial
aircraft provider like Boeing that has long had only 20% or 30% of its
business in military sales.
    Notably, Republican Senator Kit Bond of Missouri is asking the
Pentagon to share the production of the F-35 in the future to prevent a
monopoly of fighter production by one company.  His odds will be greatly
improved, probably guaranteed, if the Democrats retake the House next
year and Dick Gephardt becomes the new Speaker.
    Other prominent past examples of military pork barreling include the
famous Reagan unprecedented peacetime military buildup.  The loot was
divvied up three ways, House, Senate, and President, so 30% of the
buildup went to Reagans California, and the Speaker's New England did
very well as did Senator Sam Nunn's Georgia and Bob Dole's Kansas.
    The best fighter craft in the world today are the F-15 produced in
St. Louis and the F-16 produced in Fort Worth.  The new contract will
add 9000 jobs to Texas.
Another important story of the military industrial complex is the
Atlanta suburb of Marrietta, Georgia.
    All the nation's military airlift capacity produced during the Cold
War came from Marietta until Reagan gave some of the business to
California.  Former John Birch Society President Norm MacDonald
represented that congressional district until he died in the Korean
airliner shot down by the Soviets in 1983;  Newt Gingrich was his
successor.
    When Jimmy Carter was elected President the former Georgia Governor
was used to working closely with Georgia's Senator Sam Nunn.  So it was
very natural for both of them to be big believers in military airlift
capacity.  Naturally, their answer to the oil embargo of the seventies
was to build a military Rapid Deployment Force which would be very
dependent on airlift capacity.  Later Nunn suggested reducing our
300,000 troops in Germany to 100,000.  George Will speculated that Nunn
was moving to the political center to be more acceptable to mainstream
democrats put off by this hawk.  But this policy would lead to thousands
of more Georgia jobs building the increased airlift capacity necessary
to quickly return troops to Germany in a crisis.
    These examples and countless more illustrate the phenomena that some
states own the military industrial complex while others merely rent it.
Owner states like California, Texas, Georgia, Mississippi, Missouri, and
Massachusetts gain more than they lose in taxes when there is a military
buildup.  Renter states like Illinois, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and
New York pay more in taxes for their average share of the military money
than they receive back.  Hence state and regional economies profit or
lose dramatically when there's a military buildup or builddown.
    This is well known in the high military states but it affects the
low military states just as much or more.  The owners profit mightily in
a military buildup at the expense of the renters.  As the rent goes up
the landlord wins and the tenant loses.  The opposite happens in a
military builddown like after the Cold War.  As the rent goes down, the
owners suffer and the renters become more prosperous.
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Great Lakes region of the country, the one region farthest from the
national average of any:  the West and South are slightly above average
and the Northeast is slightly below average, but the Midwest is way
below average.  For example, the Midwest prospered after the Cold War
ended, with 74% of the national housing boom of  1994.  And they suffer
under a military buildup, with 65% of the lost jobs in the last year as
the military budget increased $25 billion in fiscal year 2001. The
budget was formed in October of the presidential election year, with the
huge temptation to trade jobs for votes.  Add another $38 billion
increase in the new military budget thanks to the current crisis and the
Midwest recession will become a depression.
    Every elected president during the Cold War came from an above
average military spending state.  Hence the military owner states own
the presidency.  And the presidential election resembles more of a
military auction as no one dares offend workers in military contractor
plants and military aircraft plants seek to have their home state
candidate elected president with the resulting lockhold on the military
budget.
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state?  Clinton, who came from a high military region, embraced every
weapons system on the campaign trail in 1992, and still was violently
hated by the right wing as Bush won 90% of the military vote in 2000.
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Hello,

	Below is an electronic version (available at www.abffe.com) 
of a letter recently sent to booksellers nationwide from the American 
Booksellers Foundation for Free Expression (ABFFE) based in NYC.  It 
speaks volumes about the climate of fear and imposed political 
conformity that has been precipitated by the counter-terrorism 
legislation.  I fear further erosion of our civil liberties lies 
ahead - don't take anything for granted anymore in this "democracy"...

						- X, Madison

*************************

November 1, 2001

Dear Bookseller,

Last week, President Bush signed into law an antiterrorism bill that 
gives the federal government expanded authority to search your 
business records, including the titles of the books purchased by your 
customers. This letter contains
our best legal judgment on what you should do if you are served with 
a court order under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).

Under the new law, the director of the FBI may seek an order "for any 
tangible things (including books, records, papers, documents, and 
other items) for an investigation to protect against international 
terrorism or clandestine
intelligence activities." The request for such an order is made to a 
judge who sits in a special court that is sometimes called the "spy 
court." The judge makes his decision "ex parte," meaning there is no 
opportunity for you or your
lawyer to object in court. You cannot object publically either. The 
new law includes a gag order that prevents you from disclosing "to 
any other person" the fact that you have received an order to produce 
documents.

ABFFE is deeply concerned by the potential chilling effect of court 
orders issued to booksellers under this new law. Normally, when a 
bookseller receives a subpoena for customer information, he or she 
has the opportunity to ask the
court to quash the order on First Amendment grounds. In several 
cases, booksellers have successfully resisted subpoenas.

Under FISA, however, booksellers may not have this chance. Depending 
on the wording of the order, the bookseller may be required to 
immediately turn over the records that are being sought.

Nevertheless, ABFFE's advice to booksellers who receive a court order 
under FISA remains the same as it is to those who receive a subpoena. 
The first thing you should do is call your attorney. Then, either you 
or your attorney should
contact ABFFE so that we can put you in touch with lawyers who are 
familiar with the law surrounding the privacy of bookstore records.

Although the wording of the law seems to suggest that contacting 
anyone about the court order is forbidden, it is ABFFE's belief that 
you remain entitled to legal counsel. Therefore, you may call your 
attorney and/or ABFFE.
Because of the gag order, however, you should not tell ABFFE that you 
have received a court order under FISA.  You can simply tell us that 
you need to contact ABFFE's legal counsel.

Legal counsel is important even in cases where it is not possible to 
challenge a court order. It may be possible for you to have a lawyer 
present during a search of your store records. If so, the lawyer will 
be able to help you ensure that
there is no violation of the privacy of your other customers.

However, it is possible that the FBI will demand immediate access to 
your records. If the agents are unwilling to permit you to contact 
your attorney, you should cooperate with them. Otherwise, you may be 
arrested for disobeying
a court order. If you have no choice but to turn over records, the 
best thing you can do is help the FBI find the information that it is 
looking for and thus avoid exposing the records of other customers. 
If you have legal questions
after the search had been conducted, you can call your attorney or 
ABFFE will put you in touch with its lawyers.

At times of national crisis, civil liberties are very vulnerable. 
Although the new antiterrorism law contains a number of provisions 
that were deeply disturbing to civil libertarians, it passed the 
House by a vote of 356-to-66. In the Senate, Russell D. Feingold of 
Wisconsin was the only dissenting vote.

We believe the climate of opinion will eventually shift, allowing a 
reasoned debate of the dangers posed by these provisions. In the 
meantime, ABFFE will continue to work to remind public officials of 
the danger of sacrificing free
speech in the quest for security.

I want to take this opportunity to thank ABFFE members for their 
support and to urge anyone who isn't a member to consider joining 
now. Whether we can continue to act as the bookseller's voice in the 
vote against censorship depends on you.

Yours very truly,

X
President
-- 

_______________________________________________
discuss@madpeace.org mailing list
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-discuss

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Thanks, X, for putting into words more or less what I have been
thinking.  Political action is new for me, so I don't have any experiences
to draw from when trying to make this kind of decision.  But, in general, I
was thinking what we need most is to be effective.  I don't think many would
show up for a rally today, and a small number of people (who are getting
burned out already) would put a lot of effort into planning it for little
results.  Having been on the phone calling people the last time and reaching
very few, getting people there on Saturday with short notice is tough.
Also, how many times can you call up the media for a small event before they
stop showing up at all?  And what about our speakers list?  They'll
hesitate, too, if we overuse them ineffectively.  Basically, in order to get
more community support, I think education and outreach would be far more
effective than carrying signs on a Sat evening when there is no Capital
traffic, and maybe a 20 second photo opp on TV.

Now, if the escalation continues at a gradual pace, I think we certainly
could and should plan an action about it that's not specifically linked to a
single day's troop activity.  It seems like there are lots of other actions
going on that we could perhaps tie into, or make up our own reason, like one
month of bombing or something.

peace, X



&gt;From: "X" &lt;X&gt;
&gt;Reply-To: "X" &lt;X&gt;
&gt;To: &lt;X&gt;
&gt;CC: &lt;X&gt;
&gt;Subject: Fw: [MAPC-coord] action, no action?
&gt;Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 10:35:08 -0500
&gt;
&gt;I'm assuming that X intended this reply to go to the lists, not just to
&gt;me, so I'm forwarding it along.  (If I'm wrong, I apologize, but with time
&gt;being of the essence, I decided to take the chance.)
&gt;
&gt;X
&gt;
&gt;----- Original Message -----
&gt;From: "X" &lt;X&gt;
&gt;To: "X" &lt;X&gt;
&gt;Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 9:44 AM
&gt;Subject: RE: [MAPC-coord] action, no action?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Yes I have an opinion...  I think our reactionary plans to respond to
&gt; &gt; egregious actions on the part of the US are totally off the mark.
&gt;Barring
&gt; &gt; deployment of tactical nukes to the field, employment of weapons of mass
&gt; &gt; destruction, or overt invasion with intent to occupy a country, nothing
&gt;the
&gt; &gt; US does right now will upset enough of the people to help us gather a
&gt;big
&gt; &gt; rally.  A big rally in my experience in Madison is over 1000 people.  A
&gt; &gt; medium size rally is between three or four hundred and a thousand.  How
&gt;many
&gt; &gt; of us think we can even organize a medium size rally in response to an
&gt;ill
&gt; &gt; defined set of "emergencies" that we intend to react against?  We need
&gt;to
&gt; &gt; look deeper for a strategy and tactics that won't have our best people
&gt; &gt; burning out from so much work to so little result.  We need to define a
&gt; &gt; program of constant social pressure.  We need to keep the issues
&gt;squarely
&gt;in
&gt; &gt; front of the people 7 by 24.  And I think we need to do this without
&gt; &gt; alienating and polarizing people.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I think the art event planned for next week is wonderful because it is
&gt; &gt; independent of CNN ("all anthrax all the time" as X says).  How much
&gt; &gt; tabling do we have the resources to support, week in and week out at
&gt;both
&gt; &gt; unions?  How many other "vigils" like the Quaker sponsored ones on
&gt;Monday
&gt; &gt; and Friday can we organize and support?  A few people here and there all
&gt;the
&gt; &gt; time is far more effective than poorly attended rallies held in response
&gt;to
&gt; &gt; ill defined emergencies.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I'm not saying all of our rally activities to date have been ineffective
&gt;or
&gt; &gt; poorly attended... far from it!  But organizers who can help to channel
&gt;a
&gt; &gt; spontaneous response from the people with a rally will be far more
&gt;effective
&gt; &gt; than organizers who attempt to drum up a response.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I think we need to refine our approaches:  hold rallies that are well
&gt; &gt; planned and/or responsive to a clear need; work with education and
&gt;outreach
&gt; &gt; to see that tables are planned and manned, ummm... personed; organize in
&gt;the
&gt; &gt; community around people who may want to respond to the war with peaceful
&gt; &gt; activity, but could give a rats ass regarding abstruse economic issues
&gt;like
&gt; &gt; G8 summits.  Want to educate these people?  Give them time and good
&gt; &gt; examples.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Comments?  Thoughts?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; -X-
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; -----Original Message-----
&gt; &gt; From: X
&gt; &gt; [mailto:X]On Behalf Of
&gt; &gt; X
&gt; &gt; Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 11:35 PM
&gt; &gt; To: X
&gt; &gt; Cc: X
&gt; &gt; Subject: Re: [MAPC-coord] action, no action?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Aaaargh.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Part of me says "If we have to ask whether we should hold an emergency
&gt; &gt; rally, we shouldn't hold it."
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; The other part of me feels like a frog in a pot of water on the stove.
&gt;If
&gt; &gt; the heat is turned up gradually enough, the frog never knows when to
&gt;jump,
&gt; &gt; until it's too late.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I realize that's not very helpful.  Anyone else have an opinion?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; X
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; ----- Original Message -----
&gt; &gt; From: "X" &lt;X&gt;
&gt; &gt; To: &lt;X&gt;
&gt; &gt; Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 10:34 PM
&gt; &gt; Subject: [MAPC-coord] action, no action?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; all (this is really a response to X's friday morning
&gt; &gt; &gt; call to potential action/questions and marina's friday
&gt; &gt; &gt; night hey it looks like we should at least do a picket
&gt; &gt; &gt; line sat afternoon emails):
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; if we are going to do this tomorrow, as X is
&gt; &gt; &gt; suggesting, i am out, as i have to work, but pls keep
&gt; &gt; &gt; me posted, as i will then start the arts chain going.
&gt; &gt; &gt; do we want same signs or more? X has sticks and i
&gt; &gt; &gt; have cardboard, etc.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; i wonder if, and this is just a wonder, having even a
&gt; &gt; &gt; picket when the action is not being well-publicized is
&gt; &gt; &gt; a good idea. i know that there is much going on in
&gt; &gt; &gt; this war, like all other us "actions" which is
&gt; &gt; &gt; underwritten dramatically, and we need to call
&gt; &gt; &gt; attention to it, however, folks are more likely to
&gt; &gt; &gt; understand what we are calling for and call with us if
&gt; &gt; &gt; it is of a dramatic nature. subjective nature, i
&gt; &gt; &gt; suppose. as we all agreed at the last meeting, from
&gt; &gt; &gt; here on out it is much more subjective than just the
&gt; &gt; &gt; bombing beginning.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; regardless, i will pass the word if i hear back from
&gt; &gt; &gt; more folks.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; thanks,
&gt; &gt; &gt; X
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; --- X &lt;X&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Hi all,
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I'm back from work and the media coverage is
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; different than this
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; morning. This morning, TV had reported it as
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; "deploying ground troops."
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Now the media is characterizing it as "a handful of
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; U.S. special forces."
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Given that description, it looks like we do not need
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; to employ our
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; emergency response today. What a relief!  However, I
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; think we need to
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; be READY if troops are sent in. Given the quick
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; nature in which this
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; may happen, I opt for planning our strategy now so
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; we don't have to
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; scramble later. I think a picket line would be the
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; most expedient course,
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; especially given the fact that we've already had
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; numerous
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; rallies. Also, a picket line is a lot less work to
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; organize than a rally.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Rallies involve amplification, multiple speakers,
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; musicians, etc. We would
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; need the following to be ready if we decide on a
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; picket line: press release,
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; press contacts, bullhorn or portable sound system
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; (or both), picket signs,
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; chant sheets, and MAPC literature. These tasks cross
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; over multiple
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; committees so I think we ought to decide now what we
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; want to do and
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; start preparing within the committees--then we won't
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; be in a crisis
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; mode later.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Thoughts?
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Peace,
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; X
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; ----- Original Message -----
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; From: "X" &lt;X&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; To: &lt;X&gt;;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &lt;X&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 10:31 AM
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: [MAPC-coord] Re: [MAPC-action] 5pm Action
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Protesting Ground Troops
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; CNN is reporting a small deployment of Special
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Forces ground troops,
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; probably intended to locate targets for air
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; strikes rather than to engage
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; in
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; combat.  Fox News is reporting three teams of a
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; dozen troops each.  One of
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; them reported that there had been numerous prior
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; sightings of U.S. troops,
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; but that this was the first official confirmation.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;  It's not the top story
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; either place.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; My recollection from the CC discussions was that
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; an emergency response
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; would
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; be automatic in the event of a non-Special Forces
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; ground invasion or a
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; *major* deployment of Special Forces, but that a
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; small Special Forces
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; deployment would not necessarily trigger an
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; emergency action.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I would also note that, in the two hours since X
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; posted this, there has
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; been no other discussion of an action on any of
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; the MAPC lists.  So I
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; don't
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; get the impression that other folks in MAPC have
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; interpreted this as
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; requiring immediate action.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; My own feeling -- perhaps influenced by the fact
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; that I'm sick and can't
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; help out regardless -- is that this is not a
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; significant military
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; escalation
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; and is probably just a public acknowledgment of
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; what has been happening on
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; the ground all along.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; X
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; ----- Original Message -----
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; From: "X" &lt;X&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; To: &lt;X&gt;;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &lt;X&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 7:53 AM
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: [MAPC-action] 5pm Action Protesting
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Ground Troops
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; The media is saying that the US has sent ground
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; troops into Afghanistan.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; We
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; had planned on a 5pm action on the capitol in
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; response to this. I think
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; we
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; should go ahead, but given all the other things
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; we are doing, we should
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; keep
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; it simple.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I propose we just have a picket line. The
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; following things need to be
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; done:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Get an announcement out to WORT to build the
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; action.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Get a bullhorn.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Put together a sheet of chants.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; What do you think?
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Unfortunately, I am walking out the door to go
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; to work, so I can't help
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; on
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; this. Given the fact its a work day, I suspect
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; alot of other people are
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; in
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; the same boat. Can someone step up and run with
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; this?
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Thanks.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; X
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; _______________________________________________
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; action@madpeace.org mailing list
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-action
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; _______________________________________________
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; coordination@madpeace.org
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-cc
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; _______________________________________________
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; coordination@madpeace.org
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-cc
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; =====
&gt; &gt; &gt; X madison wi usa
&gt; &gt; &gt;                               X
&gt; &gt; &gt; X
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; book o the week: the archivist by martha cooley
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; __________________________________________________
&gt; &gt; &gt; Do You Yahoo!?
&gt; &gt; &gt; Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals.
&gt; &gt; &gt; http://personals.yahoo.com
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; _______________________________________________
&gt; &gt; &gt; coordination@madpeace.org
&gt; &gt; &gt; http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-cc
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; _______________________________________________
&gt; &gt; coordination@madpeace.org
&gt; &gt; http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-cc
&gt; &gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;_______________________________________________
&gt;coordination@madpeace.org
&gt;http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-cc
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Policy committee,

I want to express my support and appreciation of the work you have done on
the Policy committee.  I hope that you were not too frustrated and
disheartened by the discussion at the meeting tonite on the common council
proposal.  It is really super that you put this together and brought it
forward to the group.  I hope that those having differing opinions on the
verbiage and tone will give you whatever help you need in moving forward
with the "2 pronged" approach.  I would encourage you to utilize X's offer of assistance and experience.

I personally have mixed feelings on it, and no experience in political
matters.  On the one hand, I would like it to be stronger and actually say
what we mean, but understand the desire to actually get something passed.
In any case, I just wanted to express my support for your efforts in
whatever direction they take.

X
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I'll be able to copy it and bring copies to the coordination committee
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X
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I strongly support X call to keep the MAPC Nov. 17 event
family-friendly and
nonconfrontational.  Publicity has already gone out seeking to set that
type of tone and attract people on that basis.

MAPC is still in the process of establishing its identity in the
Madison community.  Our effectiveness could easily be hurt by a few
individuals who share our goals but feel compelled to chose their own
tactics while marching under our banner.

A member of our church passed out copies of MAPC's Peace Parade &amp;
Memorial flyers to members of the congregation during announcements on
Sunday, and during the parish meeting which followed I was elected to
chair our Social Action Committee.  The tone of the event on 11/17 could
well decide whether our Social Action Committee and comparable groups in
other Madison churches decide to join the MAPC coalition.  It only takes
one or two people pursuing their own "radical" tactics to siphon off
almost all the media attention and set the tone of the event in the mind
of most of the public.

I would like to see today's general membership meeting call on all who
join us on Saturday to commit to keeping the event family-friendly and
nonconfrontational.  If we approve a statement to that effect, I
recommend that it be sent to the Chief of Police, in a spirit of
openness.  It would be a mistake to start with the assumption that the
Madison police are our enemy.
A month ago I sent the following message to two members of the Outreach
and Education Committee (below) which is still relevant.

'Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001
Subject: Outreach Committee

I have a concern that I hope you will raise with the committee.  It seems
to me that while many groups who are potential coalition members would
agree with the 3 MAPC goals, they would want to know HOW the coalition
will pursue these goals before deciding to join.  Most church groups, for
example, would probably like to see an explicit commitment to openness
and nonviolence and a disavowal of the idea that the end justifies the
means.  I recommend that this committee develop a proposal, in broad
language, for adoption at the next general meeting.  This might involve,
for example, a sentence to be used immediately below the name of our
group, Madison Area Peace Coalition, in all the literature we develop,
such as:  "Committed to nonviolent action aimed at breaking the cycle of
hate and violence." '

_______________________________________________
discuss@madpeace.org mailing list
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-discuss

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As the hour struck Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 09:06:05AM -0500, X
raved:

&gt; Also, when we all agree on the wording, we should give this a run by the
&gt; whole MAPC, with an intro on why we feel the humanitarian angle is the
best
&gt; and most productive one to take with the City Council.  I'm expecting
we'll
&gt; hear some disappointment from people who want us to push a politically
&gt; unviable stop the bombing resolution.  But maybe I'm wrong on that (it's
&gt; happened once or twice before, you know).

I've been thinking that a compromise on THAT might be to specifically
condemn
the use of cluster bombs (on which score we can cite really unimpeachable
sources like the ICRC and Princess Diana's Anti-Mine Fund ;) ) and generally
voices skepticism about the effect of bombing on the humanitarian situation.

See below for more specific comments.

&gt;
&gt; -X
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Dear Policy Committee,
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Due to my own error, I have so far failed utterly at getting myself on
&gt; &gt; the policy e-mail list.  However, 30 minutes ago I discovered the list
&gt; &gt; archive on the web site, and now I am up-to-date!
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Thank you for your comments!  Wonderful!
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I incorporated your suggestions.  More edits may be in order--feel free
&gt; &gt; to suggest more edits.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; After one more round, perhaps we can bring it around to alders--I'll
&gt; &gt; wait for the policy committee's OK.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Below is the current draft.  Send me further suggestions for changes.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Best Regards,
&gt; &gt; X
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; =================================================================
&gt; &gt; A RESOLUTION regarding the urgent need to provide emergency humanitarian
&gt; &gt; assistance and development assistance to civilians in Afghanistan,
including
&gt; &gt; Afghan refugees in surrounding countries.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; SPONSORS:    [Alders names here.]
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; WHEREAS,    a disastrous humanitarian crisis is underway, with an
estimated
&gt; 7.5
&gt; &gt; million people in Afghanistan facing critical food shortage or outright
&gt; &gt; starvation this winter; and
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; WHEREAS,    70 percent of these people are women and children, and the
UN
&gt; &gt; estimates 400,000 children under five will likely die this year, an
increase
&gt; &gt; of over 30 percent from last year; and

I don't think I like this phrasing, because it requires one to do a
calculation.

Instead: "UNICEF estimates 100,000 more children under the age of five will
die
this winter than did last winter, and increase of more than 30 percent; and"
?

&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; WHEREAS,     food aid shipments have been disrupted due to security
concerns
&gt; &gt; around U.S. military actions in Afghanistan; and

This would be an opportunity to mention bombing obliquely, if we so chose.

&gt; &gt; WHEREAS,    the aid agencies active in the region, including the Nobel
&gt; laureate
&gt; &gt; Doctors Without Borders (MSF), Oxfam International and the World Food
&gt; &gt; Program have stated that the U.S. food
&gt; &gt; drops can not meet the increasing and urgent need for assistance; and
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; WHEREAS,    Madison now participates directly and indirectly in U.S.
military
&gt; &gt; efforts through many channels, including the federal taxes its citizens
pay,
&gt; &gt; and through its citizens' participation in the armed forces; and
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; WHEREAS,    the Mayor and Common Council are appalled at the mass
starvation
&gt; &gt; that will result from these actions to which they are a party if the
&gt; &gt; situation is not speedily addressed, and also appalled at the dishonor
such
&gt; &gt; an outcome would be for the victims of the terrorist attacks of
September
&gt; &gt; 11th;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT the Mayor and Common Council urge a
&gt; &gt; resolution to the situation that minimizes loss of life; and
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT humanitarian concerns must now be a top
priority
&gt; &gt; for U.S. policy toward Afghanistan, especially as there exists a narrow
&gt; &gt; window of opportunity for supplying food to the region's population
before
&gt; &gt; winter makes this difficult or impossible; and
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT Afghanistan's neighbors should immediately
&gt; &gt; reopen their borders to allow for the safe passage of refugees, and the
&gt; &gt; international community must be prepared to contribute to the economic
costs
&gt; &gt; incurred by the flight of desperate Afghan civilians; and
&gt;
&gt; * in the previous clause, I would change to "...and the U.S. and other
&gt; members of the international community must be prepared..."
&gt; Let's make the obligation of the U.S. explicit (bastards, you caused the
&gt; problem...)
&gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT the United States must actively support the
work
&gt; &gt; of various agencies to deliver assistance in Afghanistan, particularly
&gt; &gt; through overland truck convoys, and support safe humanitarian access to
&gt; &gt; affected populations, in partnership with humanitarian agencies in
&gt; &gt; quantities sufficient to alleviate a large scale humanitarian
catastrophe;
&gt; &gt; and
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT the United States should contribute to
efforts
&gt; &gt; by the international community to provide long-term, sustainable
&gt; &gt; reconstruction and development assistance for the people of Afghanistan,
&gt; &gt; including efforts to protect the basic human rights of women and
children;
&gt; &gt; and
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT the United States should support democratic
&gt; &gt; processes in Afghanistan leading to a government which represents all
its
&gt; &gt; people, including women.

If we really wanted to give this resolution some sting (particularly
assuming
that it might in fact get a bit of national press) we could finish this off
this a declaration like:

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT the people of Madison, in solidarity with the
international community and in their capacity as citizens of the United
States,
will hold the Government of the United States responsible for both the
direct consequences of its military policy in Afghanistan and the results of
indifference to the priority of our humanitarian concerns.

I don't think that's entirely clear, but I like it as a way to unambiguously
push
on what I think will be a more vulnerable spot on the administration's belly
(the
prioritization of humanitarian concerns) than condemning the bombing per se.
It
also emphasizes the responsiblity we have, as citizens, to assert our moral
rights
over the administration of our government, and emphasizes the distinction
between
the Government of the United States, and the citizenry of the United States.

Thoughts?

X
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Thanks!

Since x and I will be the only people there (that is if x can make
it) maybe everybody could send their comments to me so I can make sure we
mention all the relevant points when we go to the action committee?
If I don't hear from you, I'll just use whatever we have in the notes from
our meeting.

thanks,
x
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&gt; A.N.S.W.E.R. FACT SHEET - The Media and the Government
&gt;
&gt; The State Of The "Free Press" After October 7 -
&gt; ALL PROPAGANDA, ALL THE TIME!
&gt;
&gt; In the past weeks, images have been seen around the world of
&gt; bombings of villages, hospitals, mosques, Red Cross
&gt; facilities and more.  What has been the response of those
&gt; dropping the bombs?  The U.S. and England are opening what
&gt; they call "Coalition Information Centers" - a plan for
&gt; 24-hour-a-day domination of the news to manipulate and
&gt; refute these images.
&gt;
&gt; In the last weeks, the Bush administration, the Pentagon and
&gt; the CIA have been battening down all of the hatches to
&gt; deprive the people of the United States of any independent
&gt; source of information.  Why is the government so afraid that
&gt; people in the United States will have the opportunity to
&gt; receive uncensored news and information?  It is because the
&gt; Bush administration, having learned a crucial lesson in
&gt; Vietnam, knows that if the people actually learn the truth
&gt; about the war, they may become its most vocal and effective
&gt; opponents.
&gt;
&gt; In some countries, governments have waged violent and
&gt; repressive wars against journalists.  Reporters have been
&gt; arrested and even killed, fear has been installed in those
&gt; who seek to go against the government.  But that is not the
&gt; case in the U.S.  Reporters here don't have to be arrested
&gt; or shot or even threatened.  These big capitalist media
&gt; realize that their real function is to be the public
&gt; relations arm of the Pentagon. They are engaging in
&gt; self-censorship.
&gt;
&gt; U.S. textbooks teach of a U.S. media that is distinguished
&gt; from the media in vast parts of the globe because it is a
&gt; "free press" - not a state-run media, but an independent
&gt; media, free from government supervision and dictates.
&gt;
&gt; But since September 11, 2001, and especially since the
&gt; bombing of Afghanistan began on October 7, it would be very
&gt; hard to assert that there is a free or independent press in
&gt; the United States.  (Those who have studied the
&gt; corporate-dominated media know that there wasn't much of a
&gt; "free" press in the U.S. prior to September 11 either,
&gt; though there is a growing progressive media independent from
&gt; corporate domination.)
&gt;
&gt; Did you know that ...
&gt;
&gt; On October 7 - the day the U.S. began bombing Afghanistan -
&gt; the National Imagery and Mapping Agency signed a contract
&gt; for exclusive rights to all commercial satellite imagery of
&gt; Afghanistan and other countries in the region.  The U.S.
&gt; government's National Imagery and Mapping Agency is a
&gt; "top-secret Defense Department intelligence agency," and it
&gt; is currently in negotiations to renew its contract, which
&gt; expires November 5.  It paid $1.91 million for the first 30
&gt; days of the contract. (Reuters, 10/30/01, "US in talks to
&gt; keep rights to satellite images)
&gt;
&gt; On October 10, White House national security adviser
&gt; Condoleezza Rice met with major U.S. television networks and
&gt; asked them not to show videotaped messages issued by Osama
&gt; bin Laden live and unedited. They agreed to this request.
&gt; MSNBC and Fox News did not air at all the next statement
&gt; issued by bin Laden, and CNN showed only brief excerpts.
&gt;
&gt; On October 11, the Bush administration asked newspapers not
&gt; to print statements issued by Osama bin Laden.  They agreed.
&gt;
&gt; On October 17, a closed-door meeting was held between
&gt; network heads and studio chiefs in Hollywood and members of
&gt; the Bush administration.  Deputy Assistant to the President
&gt; Chris Henick and Associate Director of the Office of Public
&gt; Liaison Adam Goldman represented the Bush administration in
&gt; the meeting, where Hollywood heads "committed themselves to
&gt; new initiatives in support of the war on terrorism. These
&gt; initiatives would stress efforts to enhance the perception
&gt; of America around the world, to 'get out the message' on the
&gt; fight against terrorism and to mobilize existing resources,
&gt; such as satellites and cable, to foster better global
&gt; understanding." (Variety, 10/18/01, White House enlists
&gt; Hollywood for war effort, By Peter Bart)
&gt;
&gt; On October 30, the chairman of CNN and its head of standards
&gt; and practices sent memos to the CNN staff relating to their
&gt; coverage of the war.  In the first memo, Walter Isaacson,
&gt; the chairman of CNN, said it "seems perverse to focus too
&gt; much on the casualties or hardship in Afghanistan."  The
&gt; memo sent by Rick Davis, the head of standards and
&gt; practices, continued, it "may be hard for the correspondent
&gt; in these dangerous areas to make the points clearly."  Davis
&gt; actually suggested language for anchors to use while footage
&gt; of civilian casualties was being shown: (1) "We must keep in
&gt; mind, after seeing reports like this from Taliban-controlled
&gt; areas, that these U.S. military actions are in response to a
&gt; terrorist attack that killed close to 5,000 innocent people
&gt; in the U.S." or (2) "We must keep in mind, after seeing
&gt; reports like this, that the Taliban regime in Afghanistan
&gt; continues to harbor terrorists who have praised the
&gt; September 11 attacks that killed close to 5,000 innocent
&gt; people in the U.S." or (3) "The Pentagon has repeatedly
&gt; stressed that it is trying to minimize civilian casualties
&gt; in Afghanistan, even as the Taliban regime continues to
&gt; harbor terrorists who are connected to the September 11
&gt; attacks that claimed thousands of innocent lives in the
&gt; U.S."  He concludes, "Even though it may start sounding
&gt; rote, it is important that we make this point each time."
&gt; ("CNN Chief Orders 'Balance' in War News" by Howard Kurtz,
&gt; Washington Post 10/31/01)
&gt;
&gt; On October 30, British Defense Minister Geoff Hoon met with
&gt; U.S. Secretary of State Donald Rumsfeld, to stress England's
&gt; concern about the fact that public opinion in Britain and
&gt; the rest of Western Europe has been turning against the war,
&gt; largely because of the increasing reports of civilian
&gt; casualties from the bombing.  A "Western diplomat" quoted in
&gt; the New York Times said, "the collateral damage doesn't make
&gt; nice pictures in the newspapers."  The Times also reported
&gt; that "The European public appears more concerned about
&gt; civilian casualties than ending the war swiftly." Senior
&gt; Blair adviser Alstair Campbell met with U.S. Presidential
&gt; Counselor Karen Hughes about concerns about public opinion
&gt; in Europe and the Middle East. ("U.S. Campaign on 2nd Front:
&gt; Public Opinion" by Michael R. Gordon and Eric Schmitt, New
&gt; York Times, 10/31/01)
&gt;
&gt; On October 31, Taliban representatives held a press
&gt; conference in Pakistan to announce that over 1,500 people
&gt; had been killed in the first 24 days of bombing, mainly
&gt; civilians.
&gt;
&gt; On October 31, at a joint press conference with British
&gt; Prime Minister Tony Blair, Syrian President Bashar Assad
&gt; said "We cannot accept what we see on the [television]
&gt; screen every day - hundreds of civilians dying."
&gt;
&gt; On November 1, the U.S. and Britain jointly opened
&gt; "Coalition Information Centers" in Washington DC, London and
&gt; Islamabad, Pakistan.  These centers will allow for
&gt; 24-hour-a-day efforts to dominate news coverage of the U.S.
&gt; and British bombing of Afghanistan.  Their focus will be on
&gt; rebutting reports of civilian casualties. It will include
&gt; press conferences, speeches and Internet reports staggered
&gt; to target morning and evening coverage in the U.S., Europe
&gt; and the Middle East and South/Central Asia. The State
&gt; Department is planning its own effort to circulate
&gt; information on the Internet and providing downloadable
&gt; information sheets to be used by U.S. embassies worldwide.
&gt; ("U.S., Britain Step Up War for Public Opinion," by Karen
&gt; DeYoung, 11/1/01 Washington Post)
&gt;
&gt; On November 2, New York Times Op-Ed writer Thomas Friedman
&gt; wrote, "A month into the war in Afghanistan, the
&gt; hand-wringing has already begun over how long this might
&gt; last. Let's all take a deep breath and repeat after me: Give
&gt; war a chance. This is Afghanistan we're talking about. Check
&gt; the map. It's far away." ("One War, Two Fronts," by Thomas
&gt; L. Friedman, NY Times, 11/2/01)
&gt;
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Aaaargh.

Part of me says "If we have to ask whether we should hold an emergency
rally, we shouldn't hold it."

The other part of me feels like a frog in a pot of water on the stove.  If
the heat is turned up gradually enough, the frog never knows when to jump,
until it's too late.

I realize that's not very helpful.  Anyone else have an opinion?

x



----- Original Message -----
From: "x" &lt;x&gt;
To: &lt;x&gt;
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 10:34 PM
Subject: [MAPC-coord] action, no action?


&gt; all (this is really a response to x's friday morning
&gt; call to potential action/questions and x's friday
&gt; night hey it looks like we should at least do a picket
&gt; line sat afternoon emails):
&gt;
&gt; if we are going to do this tomorrow, as x is
&gt; suggesting, i am out, as i have to work, but pls keep
&gt; me posted, as i will then start the arts chain going.
&gt; do we want same signs or more? x has sticks and i
&gt; have cardboard, etc.
&gt;
&gt; i wonder if, and this is just a wonder, having even a
&gt; picket when the action is not being well-publicized is
&gt; a good idea. i know that there is much going on in
&gt; this war, like all other us "actions" which is
&gt; underwritten dramatically, and we need to call
&gt; attention to it, however, folks are more likely to
&gt; understand what we are calling for and call with us if
&gt; it is of a dramatic nature. subjective nature, i
&gt; suppose. as we all agreed at the last meeting, from
&gt; here on out it is much more subjective than just the
&gt; bombing beginning.
&gt;
&gt; regardless, i will pass the word if i hear back from
&gt; more folks.
&gt;
&gt; thanks,
&gt; x
&gt;
&gt; --- x &lt;x&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt; Hi all,
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; I'm back from work and the media coverage is
&gt; &gt; different than this
&gt; &gt; morning. This morning, TV had reported it as
&gt; &gt; "deploying ground troops."
&gt; &gt; Now the media is characterizing it as "a handful of
&gt; &gt; U.S. special forces."
&gt; &gt; Given that description, it looks like we do not need
&gt; &gt; to employ our
&gt; &gt; emergency response today. What a relief!  However, I
&gt; &gt; think we need to
&gt; &gt; be READY if troops are sent in. Given the quick
&gt; &gt; nature in which this
&gt; &gt; may happen, I opt for planning our strategy now so
&gt; &gt; we don't have to
&gt; &gt; scramble later. I think a picket line would be the
&gt; &gt; most expedient course,
&gt; &gt; especially given the fact that we've already had
&gt; &gt; numerous
&gt; &gt; rallies. Also, a picket line is a lot less work to
&gt; &gt; organize than a rally.
&gt; &gt; Rallies involve amplification, multiple speakers,
&gt; &gt; musicians, etc. We would
&gt; &gt; need the following to be ready if we decide on a
&gt; &gt; picket line: press release,
&gt; &gt; press contacts, bullhorn or portable sound system
&gt; &gt; (or both), picket signs,
&gt; &gt; chant sheets, and MAPC literature. These tasks cross
&gt; &gt; over multiple
&gt; &gt; committees so I think we ought to decide now what we
&gt; &gt; want to do and
&gt; &gt; start preparing within the committees--then we won't
&gt; &gt; be in a crisis
&gt; &gt; mode later.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Thoughts?
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Peace,
&gt; &gt; x
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; ----- Original Message -----
&gt; &gt; From: "x" &lt;x&gt;
&gt; &gt; To: &lt;x&gt;;
&gt; &gt; &lt;x&gt;
&gt; &gt; Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 10:31 AM
&gt; &gt; Subject: [MAPC-coord] Re: [MAPC-action] 5pm Action
&gt; &gt; Protesting Ground Troops
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; CNN is reporting a small deployment of Special
&gt; &gt; Forces ground troops,
&gt; &gt; &gt; probably intended to locate targets for air
&gt; &gt; strikes rather than to engage
&gt; &gt; in
&gt; &gt; &gt; combat.  Fox News is reporting three teams of a
&gt; &gt; dozen troops each.  One of
&gt; &gt; &gt; them reported that there had been numerous prior
&gt; &gt; sightings of U.S. troops,
&gt; &gt; &gt; but that this was the first official confirmation.
&gt; &gt;  It's not the top story
&gt; &gt; &gt; either place.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; My recollection from the CC discussions was that
&gt; &gt; an emergency response
&gt; &gt; would
&gt; &gt; &gt; be automatic in the event of a non-Special Forces
&gt; &gt; ground invasion or a
&gt; &gt; &gt; *major* deployment of Special Forces, but that a
&gt; &gt; small Special Forces
&gt; &gt; &gt; deployment would not necessarily trigger an
&gt; &gt; emergency action.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; I would also note that, in the two hours since x
&gt; &gt; posted this, there has
&gt; &gt; &gt; been no other discussion of an action on any of
&gt; &gt; the MAPC lists.  So I
&gt; &gt; don't
&gt; &gt; &gt; get the impression that other folks in MAPC have
&gt; &gt; interpreted this as
&gt; &gt; &gt; requiring immediate action.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; My own feeling -- perhaps influenced by the fact
&gt; &gt; that I'm sick and can't
&gt; &gt; &gt; help out regardless -- is that this is not a
&gt; &gt; significant military
&gt; &gt; escalation
&gt; &gt; &gt; and is probably just a public acknowledgment of
&gt; &gt; what has been happening on
&gt; &gt; &gt; the ground all along.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; x
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; ----- Original Message -----
&gt; &gt; &gt; From: "x" &lt;x&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; To: &lt;x&gt;;
&gt; &gt; &lt;x&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 7:53 AM
&gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: [MAPC-action] 5pm Action Protesting
&gt; &gt; Ground Troops
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; The media is saying that the US has sent ground
&gt; &gt; troops into Afghanistan.
&gt; &gt; &gt; We
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; had planned on a 5pm action on the capitol in
&gt; &gt; response to this. I think
&gt; &gt; we
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; should go ahead, but given all the other things
&gt; &gt; we are doing, we should
&gt; &gt; &gt; keep
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; it simple.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I propose we just have a picket line. The
&gt; &gt; following things need to be
&gt; &gt; &gt; done:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Get an announcement out to WORT to build the
&gt; &gt; action.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Get a bullhorn.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Put together a sheet of chants.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; What do you think?
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Unfortunately, I am walking out the door to go
&gt; &gt; to work, so I can't help
&gt; &gt; on
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; this. Given the fact its a work day, I suspect
&gt; &gt; alot of other people are
&gt; &gt; in
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; the same boat. Can someone step up and run with
&gt; &gt; this?
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Thanks.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; x
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Thanks, X!

I think this would fit well under "New  Business".  What you would need to
do is come at the beginning of the meeting at 6:30, and, when the
facilitators ask if there are any additional agenda items, ask that this be
added.  "New Business" comes toward the end of the agenda, probably around
7:30 or 8:00 p.m., after the committee reports and the items that are
already on the agenda.  (It's possible to ask that your item be moved
earlier on the agenda, though this sometimes annoys people and we'd be
delighted to have you involved in al of the discussions.)

I'll sending a copy of this to the Coordinating Committee, so that the
facilitators know to expect your request.

Also -- Will it be possible for MAPC to have a literature table at the
event, if we're a co-sponsor?

Thanks
XX


----- Original Message -----
From: &lt;X&gt;
To: X
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: Madison Area Peace Coalition general membership meeting


&gt; Hi X,
&gt; thanks for getting back so soon.  I am working with the Baha'i Association
as well as a number of other student of color activits on campus to do a
fund raiser for UNICEF.  We are going to hold an open mic at the catacombs
cafe on dec. 6 (thursday). there will be a $5 cover charge and all proceeds
go to unicef.
&gt; we are trying to get sponsorship from the MAPC and other groups on campus,
just so we can get more attention for the event.  I need to know if you
could vote on this tommorow so i can know if MAPC will help to sponsor.  If
yes, I would like to also see if I can contact the arts committee to see if
we can encourage people in your  coalition to participate and encourage
their own groups to participate.
&gt; Thanks for the help,
&gt; X
&gt;


_______________________________________________
coordination@madpeace.org
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-cc

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PILGER: THIS WAR IS A FARCE By John Pilger, Former
Mirror chief foreign correspondent



The war against terrorism is a fraud. After three
weeks' bombing, not a single terrorist implicated in
the attacks on America has been caught or killed in
Afghanistan.

Instead, one of the poorest, most stricken nations has
been terrorised by the most powerful - to the point
where American pilots have run out of dubious
"military" targets and are now destroying mud houses,
a hospital, Red Cross warehouses, lorries carrying
refugees.

Unlike the relentless pictures from New York, we are
seeing almost nothing of this. Tony Blair has yet to
tell us what the violent death of children - seven in
one family - has to do with Osama bin Laden.

And why are cluster bombs being used? The British
public should know about these bombs, which the RAF
also uses. They spray hundreds of bomblets that have
only one purpose; to kill and maim people. Those that
do not explode lie on the ground like landmines,
waiting for people to step on them.

If ever a weapon was designed specifically for acts of
terrorism, this is it. I have seen the victims of
American cluster weapons in other countries, such as
the Laotian toddler who picked one up and had her
right leg and face blown off. Be assured this is now
happening in Afghanistan, in your name.

None of those directly involved in the September 11
atrocity was Afghani. Most were Saudis, who apparently
did their planning and training in Germany and the
United States.

The camps which the Taliban allowed bin Laden to use
were emptied weeks ago. Moreover, the Taliban itself
is a creation of the Americans and the British. In the
1980s, the tribal army that produced them was funded
by the CIA and trained by the SAS to fight the
Russians.

The hypocrisy does not stop there. When the Taliban
took Kabul in 1996, Washington said nothing. Why?
Because Taliban leaders were soon on their way to
Houston, Texas, to be entertained by executives of the
oil company, Unocal.

With secret US government approval, the company
offered them a generous cut of the profits of the oil
and gas pumped through a pipeline that the Americans
wanted to build from Soviet central Asia through
Afghanistan.

A US diplomat said: "The Taliban will probably develop
like the Saudis did." He explained that Afghanistan
would become an American oil colony, there would be
huge profits for the West, no democracy and the legal
persecution of women. "We can live with that," he
said.

Although the deal fell through, it remains an urgent
priority of the administration of George W. Bush,
which is steeped in the oil industry. Bush's concealed
agenda is to exploit the oil and gas reserves in the
Caspian basin, the greatest source of untapped fossil
fuel on earth and enough, according to one estimate,
to meet America's voracious energy needs for a
generation. Only if the pipeline runs through
Afghanistan can the Americans hope to control it.

So, not surprisingly, US Secretary of State Colin
Powell is now referring to "moderate" Taliban, who
will join an American-sponsored "loose federation" to
run Afghanistan. The "war on terrorism" is a cover for
this: a means of achieving American strategic aims
that lie behind the flag-waving facade of great power.

The Royal Marines, who will do the real dirty work,
will be little more than mercenaries for Washington's
imperial ambitions, not to mention the extraordinary
pretensions of Blair himself. Having made Britain a
target for terrorism with his bellicose "shoulder to
shoulder" with Bush nonsense, he is now prepared to
send troops to a battlefield where the goals are so
uncertain that even the Chief of the Defence Staff
says the conflict "could last 50 years".

The irresponsibility of this is breathtaking; the
pressure on Pakistan alone could ignite an
unprecedented crisis across the Indian sub-continent.
Having reported many wars, I am always struck by the
absurdity of effete politicians eager to wave farewell
to young soldiers, but who themselves would not say
boo to a Taliban goose.

In the days of gunboats, our imperial leaders covered
their violence in the "morality" of their actions.
Blair is no different. Like them, his selective
moralising omits the most basic truth. Nothing
justified the killing of innocent people in America on
September 11, and nothing justifies the killing of
innocent people anywhere else.

By killing innocents in Afghanistan, Blair and Bush
stoop to the level of the criminal outrage in New
York. Once you cluster bomb, "mistakes" and "blunders"
are a pretence. Murder is murder, regardless of
whether you crash a plane into a building or order and
collude with it from the Oval Office and Downing
Street.





GRIEF: A father weeps over his dead son after the
bombs blunder in Kabul

If Blair was really opposed to all forms of terrorism,
he would get Britain out of the arms trade. On the day
of the twin towers attack, an "arms fair", selling
weapons of terror (like cluster bombs and missiles) to
assorted tyrants and human rights abusers, opened in
London's Docklands with the full backing of the Blair
government.

Britain's biggest arms customer is the medieval Saudi
regime, which beheads heretics and spawned the
religious fanaticism of the Taliban.

If he really wanted to demonstrate "the moral fibre of
Britain", Blair would do everything in his power to
lift the threat of violence in those parts of the
world where there is great and justifiable grievance
and anger.

He would do more than make gestures; he would demand
that Israel ends its illegal occupation of Palestine
and withdraw to its borders prior to the 1967 war, as
ordered by the Security Council, of which Britain is a
permanent member.

He would call for an end to the genocidal blockade
which the UN - in reality, America and Britain - has
imposed on the suffering people of Iraq for more than
a decade, causing the deaths of half a million
children under the age of five.

That's more deaths of infants every month than the
number killed in the World Trade Center.

There are signs that Washington is about to extend its
current "war" to Iraq; yet unknown to most of us,
almost every day RAF and American aircraft already
bomb Iraq. There are no headlines. There is nothing on
the TV news. This terror is the longest-running
Anglo-American bombing campaign since World War Two.

The Wall Street Journal reported that the US and
Britain faced a "dilemma" in Iraq, because "few
targets remain". "We're down to the last outhouse,"
said a US official. That was two years ago, and
they're still bombing. The cost to the British
taxpayer? £800 million so far.

According to an internal UN report, covering a
five-month period, 41 per cent of the casualties are
civilians. In northern Iraq, I met a woman whose
husband and four children were among the deaths listed
in the report. He was a shepherd, who was tending his
sheep with his elderly father and his children when
two planes attacked them, each making a sweep. It was
an open valley; there were no military targets nearby.

"I want to see the pilot who did this," said the widow
at the graveside of her entire family. For them, there
was no service in St Paul's Cathedral with the Queen
in attendance; no rock concert with Paul McCartney.

The tragedy of the Iraqis, and the Palestinians, and
the Afghanis is a truth that is the very opposite of
their caricatures in much of the Western media.

Far from being the terrorists of the world, the
overwhelming majority of the Islamic peoples of the
Middle East and south Asia have been its victims -
victims largely of the West's exploitation of precious
natural resources in or near their countries.

There is no war on terrorism. If there was, the Royal
Marines and the SAS would be storming the beaches of
Florida, where more CIA-funded terrorists, ex-Latin
American dictators and torturers, are given refuge
than anywhere on earth.

There is, however, a continuing war of the powerful
against the powerless, with new excuses, new hidden
agendas, new lies. Before another child dies
violently, or quietly from starvation, before new
fanatics are created in both the east and the west, it
is time for the people of Britain to make their voices
heard and to stop this fraudulent war - and to demand
the kind of bold, imaginative non-violent initiatives
that require real political courage.

The other day, the parents of X, a young
man who died in the World Trade Center, said this: "We
read enough of the news to sense that our government
is heading in the direction of violent revenge, with
the prospect of sons, daughters, parents, friends in
distant lands dying, suffering, and nursing further
grievances against us.

"It is not the way to go...not in our son's name."



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