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Hi Everyone,

   Last night I spoke with X.  She was supportive and said she'd
get back to me after her caucus meeting Friday night.

   Possibly we can do a petition-type action where we add a cover letter to
the resolution and as citizens announce it to the floor on 11/6 (it still
won't be debated until 11/20).  That would give some cover to the
alders--kind of provides a citizen request for them to look into this
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   So I'll get back to you when I hear more!

--X

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County is also against the war.  Although most of their political views do
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     Also,  checkout a good Libertarian web site about the war:   &lt;A
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     Sincerely,
       x
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              <text>I was very concerned and saddened by some of what happened last night in regards to the direction of the peace sign logo "discussion." 

I have told the Coordinating Committee before and other individuals that I would like to concentrate much of energies on outreach efforts to the greater Madison communities and populations.  I also must say that I've been remiss in not attending the last two 0&amp;E committee meetings because I wanted to specifically bring this topic of connecting with others up to the group. 

I know there was discussion awhile back about separating the outreach and education components of that committee but it didn't lead to anything I believe because that committee's idea of what outreach was for their tasks was different from what I'm talking about here. 

I do intend to begin to work on this issue now, don't know if anyone else wants to specifically work on this as well, but that would be great.  If you do, please contact me at my email address or at XXX-XXXX. 

I also think that we need to do an action you described regarding the racial profiling issue--I was talking about the same thing later last night with my family.  In addition to what you've mentioned that's been going on in this realm, there've been at least 5,000 people who have undergone or are undergoing questioning by our government and also an Executive Order by Bush today or yesterday to establish a military-run terrorist tribunal.  Very heavy-duty activvities! 

Thanks again for your comments-- 

X

X wrote: 

[those who were not at tonight's mtg will be a little bewildered but able to understand the general import of this mail] I think a discussion of MAPC's outreach/inclusivity is overdue, but I would like to suggest that we leave the logo out of it for right now, to vastly reduce potential divisiveness of the issue. Table the logo for a week, talk about these important issues of inclusiveness, and then revive the logo discussion without it being a litmus test of any kind.  
I'm sure we've all seen it happen before. People who fundamentally mean well and generally agree with each other can get sidetracked into bitter wars over what meanings should be attributed to a symbol or symbolic action. Arguments over differing interpretations degenerate into labeling each others' interpretations in very negative ways. 

Right now, rather than fighting over the history vs. the perception of the peace sign, we should be focused on taking concrete steps to ensure (1) that everyone who opposes the war feels comfortable working with MAPC and (2) that MAPC's efforts to educate and inform are both respectful and audible to every community in Madison. 

If the use or non-use of the peace sign has a part to play, it should emerge out of this larger discussion, not be the instrument to open a can of worms.What we really need to examine is: what efforts have been made to build coalitions with various communities in Madison? I know efforts have just started to outreach to labor--excellent &amp; long overdue as well. Have we tried to invite other communities to get involved, or explored ways of networking? When I emailed my contacts in the Muslim Students' Assoc &amp; the Islamic Ctr about the rally this Saturday, they were unaware of any other MAPC effort to involve or even connect with their organizations. So--what has been done so far? What can be done?  
Secondly but no less importantly, we need to collect feedback from non-dominant-culture perspectives, whether coalition members or our contacts in various communities, regarding:1) perception of MAPC / anti-war movement in general--relevant? Inclusive?2) things MAPC can do to be *perceived* as more welcoming to anti-war people in various communities 
3) things MAPC can do to actually *be* more representative of a variety of views and voices 
4) particular ways MAPC can network with community leaders 
5) best strategies for each community for outreach on anti-war issues.It seems especially important that MAPC be a haven and firm support for anyone who feels isolated and vulnerable at the moment--whether it be the direct targets of racist scapegoating, or international students from any part of the globe who feel isolated by their anti-imperialist perspectives and/or afraid of the new anti-immigrant laws. So my final recommendation is that our next action should really target issues of racial profiling, Ashcroft's stripping away of immigrants' rights, and the hundreds of people currently in custody over a month without due process. (I was planning to suggest this anyway--it didn't just come up because of tonight's meeting).  
Guess that's more than two cents! 

In solidarity, 
X
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 From www.blackelectorate.com

*********************

Should African Americans Wave The Flag?

By:  Donna J. Warren,
California Green Party
10/23/2001

Black folks riding around with American flags waving from cars. Black
folks thinking maybe racial profiling isn't so bad as long as they're
profiling those evil terrorists, the Arabs and the Muslims.

Is it really OK for Black folks to ride around with American flags?

Is racial profiling now OK when directed to the Arab and Muslim Communities?

Recent polls in the Black community show that 60% of African
Americans are in favor of racial profiling of the Arab/Muslim
community in light of the 911 World Trade bombings. Is racial
profiling, a product of insidious American racism, ever justified?

Timothy McVeigh--male, white, American, veteran, Michigan militia
member, blew up the Oklahoma federal building. America did not
racially profile white Americans.

America did not advocate blowing up the State of Michigan.

The Taliban wants evidence of Osama bin Laden's guilt before they
turn bin Laden over to a court.

No negotiations says Bush. 'When I said no negotiations, I meant no
negotiations. We know he's guilty; turn him over.'

Don't need evidence to find bin Laden guilty. Nothing new to South
Central LA. Most of the 56,775 inmates in California's prisons under
the 3 Strikes Law were convicted with little or no evidence, often on
the word of a police officer, or worse still, sentenced to 25 years
to life because 5, 10, 15 years or more ago the evidence was a
bargained plea. 57% of these prisoners are African American; this in
a state that may be 12% African American. California Courts don't
need evidence to convict.

Simi Valley, 1992, lots of evidence showed 5 white policemen brutally
beating and inflicting permanent damage on a Black motorist. The
evidence was superfluous because a jury thought Stacey Koon and
company were acting in the best interests of the people. Not guilty
on all counts. Don't need evidence to convict white police who beat
and murder Blacks, need a miracle!

The Bill of Rights, that little document which is supposed to govern
how we do business in the United States of America, says a person is
innocent until proven guilty, and that the accused can face his
accuser in a court of law and that the defendant is entitled to a
trial by jury - a jury of his peers.

"Turn him over, turn his cohorts over, turn any hostage they hold
over, destroy all the terrorist camps. ... I told them exactly what
they needed to do. There's no need to discuss innocence or guilt. We
know he's guilty. Turn him over," said the president selected by the
Supreme Court. "They hate our freedoms, our freedom of religion, our
freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble and disagree with
each other."

Maybe that's why African Americans wave the flag. Osama bin Laden and
all those terrorist Arabs and Muslims hate our freedoms.

In 1996, Madeleine Albright, then the US secretary of state, was
asked on national television what she felt about the 500,000 Iraqi
children who had died as a result of US economic sanctions. It was a
'very hard choice,' but Albright said, 'all things considered, we
think the price is worth it.'

George Bush the First, Bill Clinton, Dick Cheney, Henry Kissinger,
General Colin Powell, General Norman Schwarzkopf, Ronald Reagan,
Elliot Abrams, Gerald Ford, and George Bush the Second have
supported, trained, bankrolled and supplied with arms the murders of
millions in Yugoslavia, Somalia, Bosnia, Sudan, Rwanda, Pakistan,
Colombia, Iraq, Lebanon, the Congo, South Africa, My Lai, El
Salvador, Nicaragua, Vietnam, East Timor, Angola, Cambodia,
Guatemala, Grenada, Libya, Palestine, Afghanistan, and South Central
Los Angeles. U.S. terrorism continues to strike in the States -
infestation of crack cocaine by the CIA, mandatory minimum
sentencing, 3 Strikes, the Prison Industrial Complex, the racist
death penalty, institutionalized racism in education, health care,
social services, housing, employment.

Let's wave our flags for America and stand united with President Bush
in pure presumptuous arrogance because "If you're not with us, you're
against us".

I am an American but until America stops her aggression on my World,
until America humbles herself at the table for peace, and until
America apologizes for slavery, my African American brothers and
sisters will just have to wave that American flag without me.

"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil
obedience. Our problem is that numbers of people all over the world
have obeyed the dictates of the leaders of their government and have
gone to war, and millions have been killed because of this obedience.
. . Our problem is that people are obedient all over the world in the
face of poverty and starvation and stupidity, and war, and cruelty.
Our problem is that people are obedient while the jails are full of
petty thieves, and all the while the grand thieves are running and
robbing the country. That's our problem." Howard Zinn, "Failure to
Quit"

Donna J. Warren is a South Central LA Community Activist and Candidate for
the Green Party Nomination for Lt. Governor of California. She ran in June
2001 as the Green Party Candidate to fill the seat vacated by the death of
Julian Dixon in the 32nd Congressional District.


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Dear Committee,
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the bombing" resolution, and a weaker one (the one posted to the discussion
list and handed out last night).
     I was somewhat dismayed to realize today that the deadline for filing
resolutions for the next meeting is today at noon, or tomorrow at noon for
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X
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Dear Action and Coordination committees,

The Palestine Right to Return Coalition would like to offer the MAPC members
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Hello Friends,
What do y'all make of this article from today's Times
of India?


http://www.timesofindia.com/articleshow.asp?art_id=1030259305

"Bush took FBI agents off Laden family trail"

From: The Times of India Nov 9 01
By: RASHMEE Z. AHMED

TIMES NEWS NETWORK

LONDON: America was itself to blame for the events of
September 11 because the US administration was using
"kid gloves" in tracking down Osama bin Laden and
"other fanatics linked to Saudi Arabia", a special BBC
investigation has alleged in a damning indictment of
the two presidents Bush and American foreign policy.

The report, which the BBC claimed was based on a
secret FBI document, numbered 199I WF213589 and
emanating out of the FBIs Washington field office,
alleged that the cynicism of the American
establishment and "connections between the CIA and
Saudi Arabia and the Bush men and bin Ladens" may have
been the real cause of the deaths of thousands in the
World Trade Centre attacks.

The investigation, which featured in the BBCs leading
current affairs programme, Newsnight, said the FBI was
told to "back off" investigating one of Osama bin
Ladens brothers, Abdullah, who was linked to "the
Saudi-funded World Association of Muslim Youth (WAMY),
a suspected terrorist organisation," whose accounts
have still not been frozen by the US treasury despite
being banned by Pakistan some weeks ago and India
claiming it was linked to an organisation involved in
bombing in Kashmir".

Newsnight said there was a long history of "shadowy"
American connections with Saudi Arabia, not least the
two presidents Bushs "business dealings" with the bin
Ladens and another more insidious link revealed by the
former head of the American visa section in Jeddah.

The official said he had been concerned about visas
issued to large numbers of "unqualified" men "with no
family links or any links with America or Saudi
Arabia", only to find out later that it "was not visa
fraud" but part of a scheme in which young men
"recruited by Osama bin Laden" were being sent for
"terrorist training by the CIA" after which they were
sent on to Afghanistan.

In a reiteration of a now well-known claim by one of
George W Bushs former business partners, the BBC said
he made his first million 20 years ago on the back of
a company financed by Osamas elder brother, Salem.
But it added the more disturbing assertion that both
presidents Bush had lucrative stakes along with the
bin Ladens in Carlyle Corporation, a small private
company  which has gone on to become one of America's
biggest defence contractors. The bin Ladens sold their
stake in Carlyle soon after September 11, it said.

American politicians later told the BBC programme that
they rejected the accusation that the establishment
had called the dogs of the intelligence agencies off
the bin Ladens and the royal House of Saud because of
a strategic interest in Saudi Arabia, which has the
world's biggest oil reserve.

Note: Carlyle was rated #12 of 100 top USA defense
contractors in 1999 dh



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Room is scheduled - Union TITU at 4:00. They couldn't guarantee the Board
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X
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Dear Media Committee:

     Thanks for your help publicizing this resolution!

     Here's a possible correction to the text you may have included in a
press release.  I just pulled the text off the Common Council agenda for
11/20 (on the city web site
http://www.ci.madison.wi.us/council/ccattach/att112001/30696.pdf), and
realized that the call to stop the bombing was somehow excised from the
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was deleted).  Brief pause for a moment of profound disappointment.

      OK, we still have a very important resolution.

      I just wanted to let you know about the correct text.

      I will be printing 400 quarter sheets for tomorrow with the alder
contact info (Thanks, Lori!).  See you at the Parade!

Sincerely,
X
X home
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I think it's a great idea.  But, I don't think we can have both groups
working on specific events needs AND groups working on the other general
issues, there will be too much cross purpose work.  As I think the
committees who are sponsoring the events are already coordinating the events
and asking for help as needed, I would propose the breakout groups work on
the general issues:

1) working on the brochure
2) postering for the upcoming planned events only (coordinating to minimize
duplicate efforts right now, not the overall plan of how to deal with this
in the future)
3) labor caucus - at least show of interest

As for website suggestions, the Communications cmte will be meeting shortly,
and I would like to see what develops before throwing this out to the gm.
We know there are improvements to be made, but it is working as is, and
people are posting and finding things.  As always, anyone with strong ideas
on the web site can a)join the communications cmte, b)come to the
communications cmte meeting, or c)convey their opinions to the
communications cmte listserve.

peace,
X





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I give up... what are the last four words?

-----Original Message-----
From: X
[mailto:X]On Behalf Of X
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 7:00 AM
To: MAPC Announce
Subject: [MAPC-discuss] Taliban: terorists or freedom fighters? A
reminder from Orwell (fwd)




 From G. Orwell's 1984

"On the sixth day of Hate Week, after the processions, the speeches, the
shouting, the singing, the banners, the posters, the films, the waxworks,
the rolling of drums and squealing of trumpets, the tramp of marching feet,
the grinding of the caterpillars of tanks, the roar of massed planes, the
booming of guns - after six days of this, when the great orgasm was
quivering to its climax and the negeral hatered of Eurasia had boiled up
into such delirium that if the crowd could have got their hands on the two
thousand Eurasion war crimilas who were to be publicly hanged on the last
day of the proceedings, they would unquestionably have torn them to pieces -
at just this moment it had been announced that Oceana was not after all at
war with Eurasis. Oceana was at war with Eastasia. Eurasia was an ally.

There was of course no admission that any change had taken place. Merely it
became known, with extreme suddenness and everywhere at once, that Eastasia
and not Eurasia was the enemy. Winston was taking part in a demonstration at
one of the central London squares at the moment when it happened. It was
night, and the white square was packed with several thousand people....

....A little Rumpelstiltskin figure, contorted with hatred, he gripped the
neck of the microphone with one hand while the other, enormous at the end of
a bony arm, clawed the air menacingly above his head. His voice, made
metallic by the amplifiers, boomed forth an endless catalogue of atrocities,
masscres, deportations, lootings, rapings, torture of prisoners, bombing of
civilians, lying propoganda, unjust aggressions, broken treaties. It was
almost impossible to listen to him without being first convinced and then
maddened. At every few moments, the fury of the crowd boiled over and the
voice of the speaker was drowned by a wild beastlike roaring that rose
uncontrollably from thousands of throats. The most savage yells of all came
from the schoolchildren. The speech had been proceeding for perhaps twenty
messages when a messenger hurried onto the platform and a scrap of paper ws
slipped into the speaker's hand. He unrolled it and read it without pausing
in his speech. Nothing altered in his voice or manner, or in the content of
what he was saying, but suddenly the names were different. Without words
said, a wave of understanding rippled through the crowd. Oceana was at war
with Eastasia! The next moment there was a tremendous commotion. The banners
and posters with which the square was decorated were all wrong! Quite half
of them had the wrong faces on them. It was sabotage! The agents of
Goldstein had been at work! There was a riotous interlude while posters were
ripped from the walls, banners torn to shreds and trampled underfoot. The
Spies performed prodigies of activity in clambering over the rooftops and
cutting the streamers that fluttered from the chimneys. But within two or
three minutes it was all over. The orator, still gripping the neck of the
microphone, his shoulders hunched forward, his free hand clawing at the air,
had gone straight on with his speech. One minut more and the feral roars of
rage were again bursting from the crowd. The Hate continued exactly as
before, except that the target had been changed."

....


Anybody remember the last 4 words of the novel?
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Regardless of whether any other breakouts occur, I'd definitely encourage
X to pull together a quick meeting of  the labor folks immediately after
the meeting, if only for long enough to set a future meeting date for the
labor caucus.

We (F&amp;F) might attempt the same thing to try to recruit folks to work on the
art auction; I don't think either of those breakouts would take any major
effort.

I'm not sure if the other proposed breakouts would take great effort or not.
Perhaps we should just leave that question to the Working Groups:  If O&amp;E
wants a postering or brochure breakout, or if Action wants a Nov. 17
breakout, they can announce it &amp; organize it.

Anyhow, that's my two Afghanis ("the currency, not the people") worth.

X


----- Original Message -----
From: "X" &lt;X&gt;
To: &lt;coordination@madpeace.org&gt;
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 8:04 PM
Subject: RE: [MAPC-coord] cc mission for approval, gm agenda


&gt; X,
&gt;
&gt; Good ideas, but I think too difficult to organize for this meeting, given
&gt; the packed agenda and potential discussion of CD on Nov 17th. See X's email. I think we need to go with what we decided this time around.
&gt;
&gt; Peace,
&gt; X
&gt;
&gt; -----Original Message-----
&gt; From: X
&gt; Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 3:56 AM
&gt; To: coordination@madpeace.org
&gt; Subject: Re: [MAPC-coord] cc mission for approval, gm agenda
&gt;
&gt; On Sun, 11 Nov 2001 20:37:50 -0600  "X" wrote:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Here is the CC mission, combining X's original plus what we
&gt; added/changed:
&gt;
&gt; looks great to me.
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Here is the agenda:
&gt; ...
&gt; &gt; 4) Announcements
&gt; &gt; 5) Optional - Video
&gt;
&gt; i thought more about the idea of having people who want to work on the
&gt; brochure get together for a little bit after the gm.  i started
&gt; thinking about all the other tasks we try to coordinate, particularly
&gt; things that have a lot of overlap between the different committees.  i
&gt; was also thinking about the need to make the general meetings more
&gt; productive and worth while for people to come to, since some people
&gt; have stopped coming because of their experience with long meetings
&gt; that didn't accomplish a whole lot.  i think that's gotten much
&gt; better, but our gms still have a reputation which we need to take big,
&gt; tangible steps towards overcoming.
&gt;
&gt; i propose that at the end of the gm we have people split up into
&gt; working groups to accomplish specific things that need to be
&gt; organized.  we could have our own proposals as the cc and/or during
&gt; the meeting, anyone could suggest other topics.  my proposals for this
&gt; week:
&gt;
&gt; 1) working on the brochure
&gt;   - already discussed as a good idea
&gt;
&gt; 2) coordinating putting up posters
&gt;   - has lots of overlap between o/e, communications, volunteers, etc;
&gt;     it really needs to happen, particularly this week with so many
&gt;     events coming up soon...
&gt;
&gt; 3) coordinating the production of posters
&gt;   - has lots of overlap between o/e, arts, communications, action,
&gt;     media, etc; there are people not in any committee who are good at
&gt;     this who want to help us; it'd be good if there was some more
&gt;     consistancy to our publicity (all posters include the mapc logo
&gt;     and www.madpeace.org, a .pdf version of all of our posters should
&gt;     be posted on the web so anyone can download, print, copy, and hang
&gt;     them, etc); it's a lot of work, and it'd be good if there was a
&gt;     pool of people who could do it and each committee didn't have to
&gt;     find volunteers themselves; etc...
&gt;
&gt; 4) inital steps towards forming a labor caucus
&gt;   - see how many union folks are in the room and if they're interested
&gt;     in starting to work towards forming a caucus
&gt;
&gt; in addition, we could use one of these working groups to coordinate
&gt; details of a specific event.  since we have less and less time in the
&gt; cc meetings to hash out lots of details, it might be good to have
&gt; people from different committees meet to coordinate some of the
&gt; details themselves, and get people right there who agree to take care
&gt; of certain tasks.  the people from these groups who could then be the
&gt; liasons between committees for the planning of the given event.  this
&gt; way, things like "who's going to pick up the art props for our demo on
&gt; the 17th planned by action?" can be taken care of without using up
&gt; time in a cc meeting.
&gt;
&gt; this is a direct way to involve volunteers from the meeting in the
&gt; work of the coalition without them having to join a committee or
&gt; caucus.  it drastically cuts down on the time between when a new
&gt; person comes to a mapc meeting and when they can start to be involved
&gt; in the coalition's work.  it would help the committees get their work
&gt; accomplished.  i hope it would also start to break down the mentality
&gt; of "committee turf" which i see as developing into a minor problem
&gt; (all the concern over "who's responsibility is this task, committee X
&gt; or committee Y?").
&gt;
&gt; for this week, if there's still work that needs to be done that we
&gt; don't have (enough) people working on, we could have groups to
&gt; coordinate that work for:
&gt;
&gt; - the fast
&gt; - the teach-in on thursday
&gt; - the peace parade on the 17th
&gt; - the dance party at the cardinal
&gt; - the school supply event on the 30th
&gt; - the art auction
&gt; ...
&gt;
&gt; for each of our propoals, it would be best to find a coordinator or
&gt; facilitator ahead of time so at the end of the meeting, we could have
&gt; them stand up, announce their location, and have folks who are
&gt; interested in working on that go to their part of the room.  if folks
&gt; proposed something during the meeting, they could be the default
&gt; facilitator, or the chairs could make sure someone volunteers to do it
&gt; when the group is splitting up.
&gt;
&gt; my apologies for not thinking of all of this before/during our meeting
&gt; since it would have been easier to discuss in person than over email.
&gt;
&gt; do y'all think this is worth trying?  if so, let's put it on the
&gt; agenda as item #6 (or 5, if the video isn't happening):
&gt;
&gt; 6) Break up into working groups
&gt;  - working on mapc brochure (X)
&gt;  - forming labor caucus (X)
&gt;  - poster distribution (X)
&gt;  - poster production (?)
&gt;  ...
&gt;
&gt; these are just ideas for facilitators (Sarah + Channa were talking
&gt; about the brochure at the cc meeting, Tyuet and Mike are mentioned in
&gt; the e/o report...)  any volunteers for the others?  do folks think we
&gt; need one for any of the events i listed above?
&gt;
&gt; what'd y'all think?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;  In solidarity,
&gt;
&gt; X
&gt; International Socialist Organization    (www.socialistworker.org)
&gt; United Faculty and Academic Staff, AFT Local 223   (www.ufas.org)
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; _______________________________________________
&gt; coordination@madpeace.org
&gt; http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-cc
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; _______________________________________________
&gt; coordination@madpeace.org
&gt; http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-cc
&gt;


_______________________________________________
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http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-cc


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"Money for schools and the poor,
Stop the bombing, stop the war."

"Peace Now!"

"No More Asian Wars"

"No More Blood for Oil!"



On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, X wrote:

&gt; Folks,
&gt;
&gt; after browsing the action committee page I realized that I am to lead
&gt; the crowd in chants.
&gt;
&gt; Suggestions needed!
&gt;
&gt; What should we chant tomorrow?
&gt;
&gt; let me know asap!
&gt;
&gt; thanks,
&gt; X
&gt;
&gt; _______________________________________________
&gt; discuss@madpeace.org mailing list
&gt; http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-discuss
&gt;


_______________________________________________
discuss@madpeace.org mailing list
http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-discuss

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Hash: SHA1

Well, you're probably right about x being a student. As far as
"painting ourselves too student-like", I am fully aware of the role
students are playing in the movement. I am also all too aware that
the media and politicians are attempting to ghetto-ize the peace
movement as solely campus based.

The bulk of the readership of the WSJ is not on campus. It only makes
sense that we attempt to portray the movement as broader than the
campus in order to reach out to them. I don't think it will have the
same appeal if we let the media slant this as the peace movement
being student dominated. In any case, I am certainly not arguing that
students aren't well represented, I am just saying we need to be as
diverse as possible.

- -----Original Message-----
From: x
[mailto:x]On Behalf Of x
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:12 PM
To: x; x
Subject: Re: [MAPC-coord] Re: [MAPC-media] Fwd: Possible person's
name


On Tue, 16 Oct 2001 22:50:27 -0500  "x" wrote:

&gt; I think we should consider asking x not to speak (even though he
&gt; has agreed to), to make room for a non-student. I think x might be a good candidate. He is one of the spokespeople
&gt; for the group, and has been active for years in treaty rights and
&gt; anti-mining organizing. He actually has a base of support in
&gt; upstate and rural Wisconsin.

last i heard, x was still a grad student here at UW.  so, even
though he doesn't look the part, he's still technically a student.
don't get me wrong, i think he'd be a great person to be in on the
interview, but that's b/c he knows his shit backwards and forwards,
and has experience dealing w/ the media, not b/c he's a non-student.

and, regarding painting ourselves as too student-like....

over 600 students came out to a campus rally in mid september.  all
of
our actions have been attended by a large number of students.  the
people who made the trip to DC for the nat'l march against the war
were predominantly students.  if this article is about the anti-war
movement as a whole, not just about mapc, i think 1/2 student is a
very accurate picture of who's been involved.  even mapc has a lot of
students involved in its organizing and activities.

 In solidarity,

x
International Socialist Organization
United Faculty and Academic Staff, AFT Local 223
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X,
The Wilmar center has been booked for Oct. 30 at 6:30.  As it turns out, the
fee is "donation only" b/c MAPC is/could be a non-profit.  We have the
upstairs room and the Monona room for childcare.  I will take care of the
key.

Re:  other places for next meetings, I'll ask if I can hand this part over
to X.

I'm not sure what to say about arranging rides there for students.  I
unfortunately don't have the time to do that.

Is anyone willing to consider changing CC mtgs to later in the day/eve, and
trying other places, such as the near east side?

X, I'd be glad to take the petitions.  You can give them my contact info:
X.

Peace, X



-----Original Message-----
From: X
[mailto:X]On Behalf Of X
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 2:36 PM
To: X
Subject: Re: [MAPC-coord] GM location update


X,

Thanks for the update. It looks like WilMar is the only available option for
the 30th. My concern with that location is that it's quite far from campus
compared to some of the other options, which aren't available. Can we think
of any other places? Any other ideas? If we book WilMar, we may want to
consider organizing transportation for students. I'd hate to lose or
diminish our student involvement as a result of meeting location. One
thought--we could advertise free rides on our poster (e.g., for free rides,
call xx).

X, the La Crosse peace group sent me an email today about the anti-war
petitioning that they're doing. They want to know where to send their
petitions. Could I tell them to send the petitions to you? Even if we don't
have a petition campaign yet, it seems that petitioning would fall under the
auspices of the Policy committee. I don't want to leave them hanging because
they are a small, but dedicated group and really want to work with us. I
would think we could funnel these petitions and any others that are
collected in the future to the appropriate governmental officials. What do
you think?

Peace,
X



----- Original Message -----
From: "X" &lt;X&gt;
To: &lt;X&gt;
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 1:17 PM
Subject: RE: [MAPC-coord] GM location update


&gt;
&gt; Hi folks - Here's the update on the GM 10/30.  All places have a separate
&gt; room for childcare.  All are accessible by bus, as far as I can tell.
&gt;
&gt; Wilmar 257-4576:  $30 per hour for two rooms.  Available all evening.
&gt; Holds plenty of people. $25 key deposit.
&gt;
&gt; Atwood neighborhood ctr, 241-1574: $1 per person suggested.  Holds 99
&gt; people.  Avail. Tues after 7:30, Mondays after 7, Weds after 8:30. $25 key
&gt; deposit.
&gt;
&gt; Neighborhood House, Mills/Park, 255-5337:  Upstairs room only holds 70 -
80
&gt; people.  Gym is taken til 2002.  Said we should come see it.  Free.
&gt;
&gt; Friends Mtg House, off Monroe St, 256-2249:  Left message.  Said
"downstairs
&gt; might work".  Need more info.
&gt;
&gt; Luke House, 310 S. Ingersoll, 256-6325:  Dinner in space til 7:30.  Holds
72
&gt; people at tables.  Parking limited (no lot).  They want a pamphlet to find
&gt; out more about us.  Told us to visit.  Ask for X.  Free.
&gt;
&gt; It appears Wilmar is the only place available before 7:30, and one of the
&gt; few with enough space for the 100 - 140 people I've counted at the last
&gt; meetings.  While it will probably cost $90 or so, I would suggest this
space
&gt; for Oct. 30 and we can find a different, free space in the future if
people
&gt; agree to meet later in the evening AND less people start showing up.
&gt;
&gt; Shall I book Wilmar, or do people have other ideas?
&gt;
&gt; Peace, x
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Dear friends around the world,


The events of this day cause every thinking person to stop their daily
lives, whatever is going on in them, and to ponder deeply the larger
questions of life.  We search again for not only the meaning of life, but
the purpose of our individual and collective experience as we have created
it -and we look earnestly for ways in which we might recreate ourselves
anew as a human species, so that we will never treat each other this way
again.

The hour has come for us to demonstrate at the highest level our most
extraordinary thought about Who We Really Are.  There are two possible
responses to what has occurred today. The first comes from love, the second
from fear.

If we come from fear we may panic and do things-as individuals and as
nations-that could only cause further damage. If we come from love we will
find refuge and strength, even as we provide it to others.

This is the moment of your ministry. This is the time of teaching. What you
teach at this time, through your every word and action right now, will
remain as indelible lessons in the hearts and minds of those whose lives
you touch, both now, and for years to come.

We will set the course for tomorrow, today.  At this hour.  In this moment.
 Let us seek not to pinpoint blame, but to pinpoint cause.  Unless we take
this time to look at the cause of our experience, we will never remove
ourselves from the experiences it creates.  Instead, we will forever live
in fear of retribution from those within the human family who feel
aggrieved, and, likewise, seek retribution from them.

To us the reasons are clear.  We have not learned the most basic human
lessons.  We have not remembered the most basic human truths.  We have not
understood the most basic spiritual wisdom.  In short, we have not been
listening to God, and because we have not, we watch ourselves do ungodly
things.

The message we hear from all sources of truth is clear: We are all one.
That is a message the human race has largely ignored.  Forgetting this
truth is the only cause of hatred and war, and the way to remember is
simple: Love this and every moment.

If we could love even those who have attacked us, and seek to understand
why they have done so, what then would be our response? Yet if we meet
negativity with negativity, rage with rage, attack with attack, what then
will be the outcome?

These are the questions that are placed before the human race today.  They
are questions that we have failed to answer for thousands of years.
Failure to answer them now could eliminate the need to answer them at all.

If we want the beauty of the world that we have co-created to be
experienced by our children and our children's children, we will have to
become spiritual activists right here, right now, and cause that to happen.
We must choose to be at cause in the matter.

So, talk with God today. Ask God for help, for counsel and advice, for
insight and for strength and for inner peace and for deep wisdom. Ask God
on this day to show us how to show up in the world in a way that will cause
the world itself to change.  And join all those people around the world who
are praying right now, adding your Light to the Light that dispells all
fear.

That is the challenge that is placed before every thinking person today.
Today the human soul asks the question: What can I do to preserve the
beauty and the wonder of our world and to eliminate the anger and
hatred-and the disparity that inevitably causes it - in that part of the
world which I touch?

Please seek to answer that question today, with all the magnificence that
is You.  What can you do TODAY...this very moment?  A central teaching in
most spiritual traditions is:  What you wish to experience, provide for
another.  Look to see, now, what it is you wish to experience-in your own
life, and in the world. Then see if there is another for whom you may be
the source of that.  If you wish to experience peace, provide peace for
another.  If you wish to know that you are safe, cause another to know that
they are safe.  If you wish to better understand seemingly incomprehensible
things, help another to better understand.

If you wish to heal your own sadness or anger, seek to heal the sadness or
anger of another.

Those others are waiting for you now. They are looking to you for guidance,
for help, for courage, for strength, for understanding, and for assurance
at this hour.  Most of all, they are looking to you for love.

--

My religion is very simple. My religion is kindness.

Dalai Lama
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Hi Everyone,
   The Policy Committee continues to push to get a peace resolution debated
in the Common Council, but will not have concrete progress to report
tomorrow night.
   We have been very actively contacting the progressive alders, but now we
need to step back for a day or two (again) to give them a chance to respond.
   A common reaction from the alders is that it is problematic to introduce
a resolution that gets only a few votes.  This could send the message that
the city isn't for peace, or jepardize future resolutions on the same issue.
  So our proposed resolution may end up
being debated after Thanksgiving if at all--we'll know soon.
   It's interesting.  One school of thought seems to be that even
introduction of a resolution is positive since it generates debate.  Another
school is that some collegiality among progressive alders must be preserved,
divisiveness must be avoided, and you don't want to waste political capital
on something that has no chance of passing.
   What do you think?
   Should we do a County resolution, too?

Regards,
X, Policy Committee
XXX-XXXX (day)
242-9232 (evening)



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X and I have found an experienced art hanger who is
enthusiastically ttaking tthis up.  I'll be speaking with her upon her
return to Madison tomorrow.

Barbara

X wrote:

&gt; Needed for Dec. 2 Silent Art Auction:  One (possibly with a helper)
&gt; EXPERIENCED art hanger. The management of Mother Fools requests that
&gt; we provide someone - their staff cannot do it for us.  Someone who
&gt; has worked with hanging art by filament (fishing line?) before is
&gt; needed - it should only take about 2 hours if you know how to do it...
&gt;
&gt; thanks!
&gt; rebekah
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I am hereby requesting the media committee to send a letter to the Editor to
Isthmus on behalf of the MAPC.

The letter (or e-mail) should go out in time to get in the next issue.
Perhaps e-mailing this Monday or Tuesday would work.


Draft Letter Text Suggestion:

"
Dear Editor:
     Alexander Cockburn (11/02/01 'U.S. eyes sheer torture') notes that the
United States government has sheltered torturers around the world.  One way
the government has done this is through the Army School of the Americas in
Fort Benning, Georgia, long a U.S. military training school for torture
techniques.  The School's graduates have gone on to mastermind torture and
death squads in their home countries in Latin America.  In fact, the alumni
form a who's who of notorious human rights abusers in the region.  For ten
years, American citizens have protested the School of the Americas outside
Fort Benning on a Saturday in November.
     This year Madisonians can join in a Peace Parade in solidarity with the
eleventh annual School of the Americas protest.  It is being held at MATC
Truax at noon on Saturday, November 17th.  For more information call
835-7501 or go to www.madpeace.org.

Sincerely,
Madison Area Peace Coalition

Media Contact:  X, etc."

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