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Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:58 PM
Help ALL Victims and Families Of Sept. 11


    Kenneth L. Zwick, Director
    Office of Management Programs, Civil Division
    U.S. Department of Justice

Dear Mr. Zwick:

I am writing in response to the Department's request for public
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I strongly urge the Department to draft regulations that ensure
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would any other.

Sincerely,
Individual Comment
Des Moines, IA

 
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December 13, 2001 


Special Master Kenneth R. Feinberg
September 11th Victim Compensation Fund
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20530

To Mr. Feinberg:

I am writing to urge you to ensure fair treatment for all surviving families of the tragedy on
September 11th, including the children and families of low-wage workers and gay and lesbian
families.

Under traditional rules based on lost wages, the survivors of a bond trader earning millions of
dollars per year might receive thousands of times as much compensation as the survivors of a
dishwasher in one of the restaurants destroyed. Justice requires looking far beyond the last
paycheck to the inherent worth of all those killed, so that a high minimum compensation level is
set to lessen the disparities. It would be a double blow to the survivors to first lose their loved
one and then watch as most of the taxpayer money went to those who were already well off in the
first place.

The second major issue has to do with recognizing the legitimacy of gay and lesbian relationships
and families. Gay and lesbian families are especially vulnerable when one partner is killed.
Because the option of marriage is unavailable, these families may find themselves in the
traumatic predicament of having to prove that their union is legitimate. Fortunately, both the Red
Cross and the State of New York have already  announced that they will not discriminate against
gay and lesbian families. The Department of Justice should do the same.

Thank you for considering my comments. I look forward to hearing how you will act on these
very important issues.

Sincerely,

Individual Comment
Goleta, CA 

 
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Wednesday, December 05, 2001 10:12 AM



    Kenneth L. Zwick, Director
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Dear Mr. Zwick:

I am writing in response to the Department's request for public
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Sincerely,
     
Individual Comment
    
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Monday, March 18, 2002 5:11 PM
This discrimination makes ma ASHAMED to be American This IS NOT fair, just or moral


9/11 FUND UNFAIR TO GAYS
Take Action Now!!!
victimcomp.comments@usdoj.gov - Tell them discrimination is un-American

In recent interviews, the head of the September 11 Victim 
Compensation Fund (a fund created by Congress to help the 
families of those who died on September 11) has made clear 
that the partners of gay and lesbian heroes of September 11 
will not necessarily receive the same benefits as the spouses 
of heterosexual victims of the horrible terror attacks.  

EVEN FETUSES AND ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE COVERED!!!

Even fetuses and illegal aliens will be receiving benefits 
under this program - heck, they've even promised to overlook 
federal law and NOT arrest and kick out the families of 
illegal aliens, nor will they punish American companies that 
hired illegals in violation of federal labor laws.  

But when  it comes to gay and lesbian heroes of the day -              who helped bring down the flight in Pennsylvania, NY Fire 
Dept.              who died in the line of 
duty when the first tower fell, and              who was 
             of the plane that crashed into the              (there are many more) - we are told the law is the law and no 
exceptions can be made.

[Read this article for complete details about how the Fund is 
discriminating against gays:
http://uspolitics.about.com/library/weekly/aa031102a.htm ]

Individual Comment

 
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Wednesday, November 21, 2001 4:25 PM

comment- Victim compensation fund



My name is           , and my wife            died on September 11th in 2 
WTC.  After reading the text of the legislation regarding the September 11 
Victim Compensation Fund and doing some research into the topic I would like 
to make a few comments.  Please feel to respond to the email address above 
or call me at      


________________________________________________________________________

One must note that as part of the overall legislation, both United and 
American Airlines were protected from any legal damages incurred above the 
amount of their liability insurance, assumed to be about $3 Billion each.  
Those who wish to file suit against the airlines for property damage losses, 
business interruption, or costs associated with relocation and clean up, 
must all be adjudicated from this amount.  After the insurance money is 
distributed, any and all further claimants are out of luck.   It also makes 
it impossible to sue for punitive damages because under New York State law, 
insurance monies may never be used to pay for punitive damages and only 
insurance money will be available.   So, no matter what should be discovered 
during the course of the investigation and trial, and despite the fact that 
there had been warnings of a possible terrorist act and at least 4 known 
plots involving the use of an airliner as a weapon being discovered in 
recent years, the airlines themselves are not actually liable for anything 
at all.



Similar wording has been inserted in the form of an amendment to the 
recently signed airline security legislation that would give the same 
protection (liability only to the limit of insurance coverage) to every 
other potential lawsuit target except for the airline security companies and 
Osama Ben Ladin himself.  Yes, even though building management in The World 
Trade Center told people in Tower 2 to return to their desks.  While it can 
be said that they did not know of the second plane, it should have been 
obvious that as the fire gutted Tower 1 that the situation was unstable.  
The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey is similarly protected, 
although during discovery it could be determined that they did not have an 
adequate evacuation policy in place.



Victims and their families are also expected under this scheme to receive 
monies from the fund quickly, as the law states that the office of The 
Special Master must give a ruling on any determination no later than 120 
days after the claim is filed.  Payment must be authorized in no more than 
an additional 30 days.  The system is faster, potentially cheaper and does 
not force the claimant to proved proof of any wrongdoing on the part of 
anyone.  But of course there may be a catch or two.  And they may be huge.



The first one is that in order to make a claim you must first waive all 
right to be involved in any suit anywhere against anyone regarding the 
attacks.  That?s right anyone and anywhere.  You cannot file suit against 
Osama Ben Ladin and still make a claim despite a 1998 law that deals with 
precisely this type of situation.  And you must do this before finding out 
what the potential payout might be.  In other words the government expects 
you to accept a settlement offer without having any idea what, if anything, 
you will receive.  Blind faith in the system is a requirement of the system. 
  And that leads to another problem.  There are no appeals allowed.  If you 
file and do not like the decision, you are already locked in to the system, 
you cannot then decide to file suit due to the waiver you have signed and 
you have no further recourse.



Collateral Sources.  The law states that any amount that the victim or their 
family would receive from the fund would be offset by any collateral 
sources.   Among the sources specifically listed in the law are life 
insurance, death benefits and pension funds.   So for the families of 
victims who have passed away in the tragedy of September 11, this would 
result in the very clear possibility that if they did substantial advanced 
planning for the future, they would receive less than those that did no 
planning at all.  And this begs a few questions:



First, why should those who did plan ahead be penalized for doing so?



What about the money paid for the insurance?  Would the premiums be allowed 
as an economic loss, and added to the award?



Why would pension funds, which were monies saved over time by the victim, be 
a collateral source?  Wasn?t this already their own money?



The regulations and laws governing New York State Workers Compensation state 
that any payments made by them would also be offset by collateral sources, 
though in that case they refer to medical payment made directly by insurance 
or litigation settlements.  Will they expect to be able to reduce their 
awards based on the amount received from the fund?  Will the Special Master 
consider that a death benefit?  Will both attempt to reduce the amount 
provided for?



What about payments made over time to the victims and their families? How 
will this be calculated?  Will this be considered a collateral source?  What 
about Social Security?



What about charity money?  Is this a collateral source?



Is it fair to deduct any amount from what is in effect the settlement of a 
lawsuit using an Alternative Dispute Resolution system?



In the case of the money distributed by charities, the answer is likely to 
be no, it is not a collateral source.  There are many public policy and 
legal reasons to not include it, and I think that The Special Master will 
want to get involved with this.  But the rest of the questions need to be 
addressed.



The mechanism and procedures required for filing are now being addressed and 
must by statute be completed no later than December 21, 2001.   The Justice 
Department is currently requesting comments on these procedures at their web 
site.



For my part I would like to make the following recommendations:



Do not force people to sign the waiver before finding out the amount they 
can expect to receive.  No attorney worth his malpractice insurance would 
advise a client to dismiss their case or sign a settlement agreement based 
only on a vague promise that there is a possibility that they might receive 
some amount of money in the future.  It would be far simpler to have a 
statement on the stub of the check indicating that the person endorsing the 
check read the back carefully, with the actual waiver on the back of the 
check.  By endorsing the check, the claimant would also be accepting the 
full ruling of the Special Master.



With regards to proof of claim, the same information and affidavits filed 
with the city in order to receive a death certificate should suffice.  For 
injured people, there would be an easily obtainable hospital record.   The 
government already has the financial information on most of the victims 
through tax records on file with the IRS.  Use this information first and 
allow the claimant to add additional information as the situation arises.



Do not reduce the amount by any form of collateral source compensation for 
the reasons listed above.  This may require an act of Congress to be 
achieved.  If this is not possible, please take into account the points 
brought up in the above section.



At the very least, out of respect for the victims and their families, do not 
consider any amount of charity money.  Trying to keep accurate records in 
the middle of a crisis is difficult enough without thinking that you may 
have to justify these amounts later.



From here we can go in one of two directions.  The government can be 
generous and take into account the feelings and concerns of the families, 
and in the process make substantial monies available to the victims and 
their families.  If this was done, the claimants would have very good 
reasons for not suing the airlines, the goal of the overall legislation and 
everyone would feel that they were dealt with fairly.  On the other hand, it 
could become a morass where victims and their families may be left with no 
legal recourse or form of redress, a settlement that is at best inadequate 
and at worst no compensation at all for their loss.  The image of the 
situation will then rightly be that our elected leaders failed us and 
decided that the airlines and their shareholders were protected at the 
expense of the victims of their failure to protect and secure their own 
planes.




Individual Comment
 
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December 13, 2001


Special Master Kenneth R. Feinberg
September 11th Victim Compensation Fund
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20530

To Mr. Feinberg:

I am writing to urge you to ensure fair treatment for all surviving families of the tragedy on
September 11th, including the children and families of low-wage workers and gay and lesbian families.

Under traditional rules based on lost wages, the survivors of a bond trader earning millions of
dollars per year might receive thousands of times as much compensation as the survivors of a
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disparities. It would be a double blow to the survivors to first lose their loved one and then watch as
most of the taxpayer money went to those who were already well off in the first place.

The second major issue has to do with recognizing the legitimacy of gay and lesbian
relationships and families. Gay and lesbian families are especially vulnerable when one partner is killed.
Because the option of marriage is unavailable, these families may find themselves in the traumatic
predicament of having to prove that their union is legitimate. Fortunately, both the Red Cross and the
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families. The Department of Justice should do the same.

Thank you for considering my comments. I look forward to hearing how you will act on these
very important issues.

Sincerely,
Individual Comment
Madison,WI

 
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              <text>Saturday, January 19, 2002 5:29 PM
Help same sex partners of terrorist victims


Dear Mr. Zwick:

The very humane Fund for relatives of victims of the September 11
terrorist attacks must include all relatives of all the victims.

This importantly should include the partners and children of same sex
unions.  They suffer just as grievously for their deceased loved ones
as do other survivors, and their need for assistance is just as great.

Please do not give in to the importuning of callous homophobic groups
and individuals who would have the Department of Justice limit
compensation to survivors of heterosexual unions.  They are interested
in a political victory, not humane assistance.

This Fund is intended for humane purposes; it is not a political
statement, Mr. Zwick.

Sincerely,

Individual Comment

 
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December 15, 2001


Special Master Kenneth R. Feinberg
September 11th Victim Compensation Fund
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20530

To Mr. Feinberg:

I am writing to urge you to ensure fair treatment for all surviving families of the tragedy on September
11th, including the children and families of low-wage workers and gay and lesbian families. Under
traditional rules based on lost wages, the survivors of a bond trader earning millions of dollars per
year might receive thousands of times as much compensation as the survivors of a dishwasher in one of
the restaurants destroyed. Justice requires looking far beyond the last paycheck to the inherent worth of
all those killed, so that a high minimum compensation level is set to lessen the disparities. It would be a
double blow to the survivors to first lose their loved one and then watch as most of the taxpayer money
went to those who were already well off in the first place.

The second major issue has to do with recognizing the legitimacy of gay and lesbian relationships and 
families. Gay and lesbian families are especially vulnerable when one partner is killed. Because the
option of marriage is unavailable, these families may find themselves in the traumatic predicament of
having to prove that their union is legitimate. Fortunately, both the Red Cross and the State of New
York have already announced that they will not discriminate against gay and lesbian families. The
Department of Justice should do the same.

Thank you for considering my comments. I look forward to hearing how you will act on these very
important issues.

Sincerely,
Individual Comment
Denver,CO 

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Friday, December 21, 2001 1:00 PM
Help same sex partners of terrorist victims


Dear Mr. Zwick:

The very humane Fund for relatives of victims of the September 11
terrorist attacks must include all relatives of all the victims.

This importantly should include the partners and children of same sex
unions.  They suffer just as grievously for their deceased loved ones
as do other survivors, and their need for assistance is just as great.

Please do not give in to the importuning of callous homophobic groups
and individuals who would have the Department of Justice limit
compensation to survivors of heterosexual unions.  They are interested
in a political victory, not humane assistance.

This Fund is intended for humane purposes; it is not a political
statement, Mr. Zwick.

Sincerely,
Individual Comment

 
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Thursday, December 06, 2001 12:15 PM
(no subject)


I want ALL families included in the survivor fund, including gays, lesbians, 
bisexuals, and transgenders.  the DOJ is soliciting input RIGHT now as to 
what the protected categories should be - they make their decision in a 
matter of days, so please write - it will only take two minutes of your time, 
and it could mean the entire world to a gay or lesbian family struggling with 
the loss of a loved one in this tragedy.
  


Individual Comment


 
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Saturday, January 12, 2002 10:53 PM
Victim's Compensation

My name is     and I lost my only sibling and ONLY relative 
except for my parents.  My brother was 32 years old and a very hard worker.  
Under the current plan my family would receive nothing or the minimum amount 
awarded.  We find this completely unfair for a son who had his whole life in 
front of him.  My brother was engaged and was killed before he could have 
children.  We find those victims who were killed without children are being 
forgotten or penalized.  My parents made many sacrifices to raise a 
successful and large tax paying citizen and they are now being forgotten in 
the process!

Our family members that lost their lives while at work were not protected by 
our government. Our government is currently spending over 60 billion dollars 
on the war on terrorism and 5 billion dollars to bail out the airline 
industry, yet under the current tables approximately 1.5 billion will be 
spent on compensation for 3,000 families who have been drastically impacted 
by their loss.  Our rights have been taken away to litigate due to Congresses 
rush on September 22nd to protect the airlines by imposing restrictions 
limiting lawsuits.  Not only have our constitutional rights to sue been 
limited, a constitutional challenge to this litigation would take years to 
resolve.

Mr. Feinberg should change the current regulations and:
1.  Use up to date New York statistics which would reflect the victims 
potential lifetime earnings.
2.  Eliminate the cap of $225,000 in yearly earning potential.
3.  Increase non-economic damages taking into consideration the immeasurable 
pain and suffering endured by our loved ones and our families.  Non-economic 
damages should be guaranteed due to the offsets applied by Congress and the 
amount of individuals who will receive limited compensation from the fund.
4.  Families should be fully informed of what their compensation will be in 
writing prior to officially waving their rights to litigate
5.  PRIVATE INSURANCE should NOT be deducted from the families compensation.  
Victim's are being penalized for being RESPONSIBLE citizens!

Again our government failed to protect our families on 911, it should be a no 
brainer to do all you can for them now!  

Sincerely,

Individual Comment

 
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Sunday, March 31, 2002 1:56 PM
9/11 compensation for same sex couples

I have very little to say on this subject, but what I have to say comes with
INTENSE feeling.

What right does ANYONE have, most especially our corrupt government, to
determine who makes up a "family?"  It is NONE of our business whether the
two people involved are of the same sex or not.  If two people are committed
to each other, they deserve ALL the same rights as a couple of opposite
sexes.  It is LUDICROUS that they can't get married and share all the rights
simply based on the sex of ONE partner.  The fact that they are denied
ANYTHING is ludicrous and we, as a country, should be ashamed of ourselves.

Denying compensation from an attack such as that of 9/11 is an even bigger
embarrassment.  Our government officials should be hanging their head in
shame.

We are a country of DEMOCRACY.  We should not shut out ANYONE based soley on
sexual orientation.  After all, we allow beggers, thieves and illegals to
live here and collect money.  What does that say about us as a country?  At
least homosexuals work and pay taxes.  For that alone they should be allowed
as many rights as anyone else.

Individual Comment
Happily married, HETRO sexual
 
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Monday, January 14, 2002 8:38 PM
Justice help all terrorist victims


Dear Mr. Zwick:

The very humane Fund for relatives of victims of the September 11
terrorist attacks must include all relatives of all the victims.

This importantly should include the partners and children of same
sex unions.  They suffer just as grievously for their deceased loved
ones as do other survivors, and their need for assistance is just as
great.

Please do not give in to the importuning of callous homophobic
groups and individuals who would have the Department of Justice
limit compensation to survivors of heterosexual unions.  They are
interested in a political victory, not humane assistance.

This Fund is intended for humane purposes; it is not a political
statement, Mr. Zwick.

Sincerely,

Individual Comment
Milwaukee, WI
 
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Sunday, March 17, 2002 5:30 PM
This discrimination makes ma ASHAMED to be American This IS NOT
fair, just or moral







9/11 FUND UNFAIR TO GAYS


Individual Comment

 
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Sunday, December 23, 2001 12:19 PM
September 11th Victim Compensation Fund

I just read about this on CNN's website, I would like to state for
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life, the events of September 11th, but I do not believe it to be more
tragic than someone killed in a homicide or by a drunk driver or the
children killed in Columbine or any of the other schools.  I do not
believe the government should be compensating people for their loss of a
loved one, my questions is simple, what's makes the September 11th
victims more important than the other people killed every day in this
country?
 
Individual Comment
Des Moines, IA 
 



 
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Wednesday, March 20, 2002 3:00 PM
Gay and Lesbian Families

I cannot express how disappointed I am to hear that the gay and lesbian partners of September 11th victims will not receive the same benefits that other victim's families will be receiving.  Not only are these people grieving the loss of their partners, but they are having their government turn their backs on them during them during a time of need.  I know of many homosexual couples who want to get married but cannot because their state refuses to grant them that right.  I also know of many heterosexual couples who refuse to get married because they do not want to support the government's continued discrimination of homosexual people.  At this moment, I ashamed of my country.



Individual Comment

 
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Monday, March 11, 2002 5:15 PM
SEPT. 11


I agree with Mr. kenneth Feinberg about not giving gay or lesbians family
benefits.  A gay or lesbian couple married or not does not meet the criteria
of being a family. I think the heads of the fund should give funds as
maritial status is defined by each state. I know I sound like I hate gays
and lesbians, but I love each person on this planet. The lifestyles they
choose is what I find ofensive to myself. Two men or two women is not what
the majority of Americans call a family. I will leave it at that. I am proud
of each individual, here and abroad, who has gave their life because of
Sept.11th.

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Sunday, December 30, 2001 5:06 PM
support Equal Access to Crisis Relief Benefits Benefit


December  30, 2001

Dear Mr. Kenneth Zwick,

I write as a member of Amnesty International, a worldwide human rights
movement committed to ensuring respect for the basic human rights of people
without discrimination, in support of equal access to benefits under the
September 11 Victims Relief Fund for all victims, regardless of sexual
orientation or marital status. As you know, the United States has
committed to uphold international human rights standards, including the
Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the International Covenant on
Civil and Political Rights, which prohibit arbitrary discrimination.
  
As you consider rules for administering the relief fund, I ask that you
apply basic international human rights standards, and the general principle
of equality, by including among relatives eligible for compensation those
who lost their life partners, as well as de facto parents or children,
without regard to sexual orientation or marital status.  The State of New
York has already adopted such a policy, granting compensation benefits "on
a showing of mutual interdependence with the victim, in recognition that
anyone who shared with the victim living expenses, day to day activities
and the emotional bonds of family deserves help in this time of need."

Many lesbian and gay people were killed in the September 11th attacks.
Since then, lesbian and gay surviving partners of those killed have had
mixed results in obtaining equal treatment at the local level in the
distribution of relief funds by private and state agencies.  An inclusive
policy on the part of the federal government would help establish an
important principle for other such funds.  In compensating victims, real
justice will be served only when all families - and all types of families -
impacted by the human rights tragedy of September 11 are treated with
dignity and equality. 

Thank you for considering my concerns. I look forward to hearing from you
about your efforts to ensure that all surviving victims of the September 11
attacks have equal access to the relief fund.


Sincerely,

Individual Comment
San Francisco, CA 




 
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Saturday, March 16, 2002 2:11 PM
9/11 Fund discrimination of Gays and Lesbians

To Whom It May Concern;  I am shocked and appalled that the fund created by Congress is openly discriminating against the partners of gay and lesbian heroes in the events of September 11, 2001.  This is about as un-American as you can get.  Haven't they learned by now that this way of thinking is about as un-American as you can get?  Am I supposed to be heterosexual in order to show my patriotism and love of my country?  This is such a slap in the face and I as a proud and openly gay American find it completely reprehensible and unacceptable that Congress even overlooks federal laws so that even illegal aliens are entitled to the same benefits as heterosexuals.  Wake up and smell the coffee, folks...Patriotism is not definable by race, religion, or sexual orientation!
                                                   Pissed off in Wi,
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December 13, 2001


Special Master Kenneth R. Feinberg
September 11th Victim Compensation Fund
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20530

To Mr. Feinberg:

I am writing to urge you to ensure fair treatment for all surviving families of the tragedy on September
11th, including the children and families of low-wage workers and gay and lesbian families. Under
traditional rules based on lost wages, the survivors of a bond trader earning millions of dollars per
year might receive thousands of times as much compensation as the survivors of a dishwasher in one of
the restaurants destroyed. Justice requires looking far beyond the last paycheck to the inherent worth of
all those killed, so that a high minimum compensation level is set to lessen the disparities. It would be a
double blow to the survivors to first lose their loved one and then watch as most of the taxpayer money
went to those who were already well off in the first place.

The second major issue has to do with recognizing the legitimacy of gay and lesbian relationships and 
families. Gay and lesbian families are especially vulnerable when one partner is killed. Because the
option of marriage is unavailable, these families may find themselves in the traumatic predicament of
having to prove that their union is legitimate. Fortunately, both the Red Cross and the State of New
York have already announced that they will not discriminate against gay and lesbian families. The
Department of Justice should do the same.

Thank you for considering my comments. I look forward to hearing how you will act on these very
important issues.

Sincerely,
     
Individual Comment 
Hubbardston, MA 


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