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Tuesday, November 06, 2001 1:46 PM
Victim's Fund 9.11.01 Rules

Dear Justice Department Victim's Fund Committee:

It would seem unfair and reckless not to consider money that victim's
families have received or will receive in the future from charities.   The
victim's extend beyond those who perished on September 11, 2001.  All
American's are victim's and we most take care to use this money for the
greater good rather than for selfish gain.


Unfortunately we most go forward in this endeavor with the high possibility
that this will  not be the last terrorist attack that will be waged on our
homeland.  If we spend with no regard to what the future  holds there will
be no compensation for the families of future attacks because we will have
tapped all our sources dry.

Obviously there will be some services or donations from charities to
families that will not be traceable and would create for the government
more work and paperwork then the monetary withhold from the family for
those services and thus should be excluded in a nominal "cap".

Charitable contributions should be considered a collateral source thus reducing the
amount the" victim's family" receives from the Victim's Fund with exception of
services/funds received that fall under the "cap".  The cap should be defined by a monetary
amount and by certain types of services.  Those services that fall under the cap should be
 those that were oof immediate need such as immediate crisis and grief counseling.

Please be fare to the American public as a whole without allowing a select and privileged few to gain
in excess of what is fair and equitable.

Sincerely,

Individual Comment
Meriden, CT
 
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Monday, March 18, 2002 3:05 PM
Discrimination against Gays and Lesbians

I'm concerned that domestic partners of gays and lesbians are being excluded
from receiving benefits stemming from the deaths of their loved ones in the
the September 11 tragedy.  Everyone should be treated fairly.
I appreciate your kind attention to this matter.
Yours sincerely,

Individual Comment
Mountlake Terrace WA 


 
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Saturday, March 16, 2002 12:38 PM
benefits.




Hello:


I am writing I am outraged that gay and lesbian partners of those who died on September 11 are not automatically going to receive the same benefits as heterosexual spouses. 

 
Individual Comment

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Thursday, December 13, 2001 10:37 PM
please uphold fair compensation distribution


Special Master Kenneth R. Feinberg
September 11th Victim Compensation Fund
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20530

To Mr. Feinberg:

I am writing to urge you to ensure fair treatment for
all surviving 
families of the tragedy on September 11th, including
the children and 
families of low-wage workers and gay and lesbian
families.

Under traditional rules based on lost wages, the
survivors of a bond 
trader earning millions of dollars per year might
receive thousands of 
times as much compensation as the survivors of a
dishwasher in one of the 
restaurants destroyed.  Justice requires looking far
beyond the last 
paycheck to the inherent worth of all those killed, so
that a high 
minimum compensation level is set to lessen the
disparities. It would be a 
double blow to the survivors to first lose their loved
one and then watch 
as most of the taxpayer money went to those who were
already well off 
in the first place.

The second major issue has to do with recognizing the
legitimacy of gay 
and lesbian relationships and families. Gay and
lesbian families are 
especially vulnerable when one partner is killed.
Because the option of 
marriage is unavailable, these families may find
themselves in the 
traumatic predicament of having to prove that their
union is legitimate. 
Fortunately, both the Red Cross and the State of New
York have already 
announced that they will not discriminate against gay
and lesbian 
families. The Department of Justice should do the
same.

Thank you for considering my comments. I look forward
to hearing how 
you will act on these very important issues.

Sincerely,
Individual Comment
Aptos, CA
 
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December 14, 2001


Special Master Kenneth R. Feinberg
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950 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20530

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Sincerely,


Individual Comment
Pls Vrds Pnsl, CA 




 
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Tuesday, November 20, 2001 3:06 AM

Distribution of Funds...



I think what is the biggest question of which you are hearing over and over 
agian....Is where is all this money that has been raised for all the families 
of the victims....



We need financial assistance to live and support our children...not  an over 
abundance of services....(that is well and good) I am sure the intentions are 
good, but, that does not put food on the table and cloth our little ones....



Furthermore, why is it taking so long to distribute the funds or at least a 
portion of them...I know the magnitude of this is more then great, but I 
would imagine something should have been done...



All this money, whether it is from the telethon and or concerts, 
etc...........millions and millions have been raised and no one I know has 
seen anything from the civilian funds...



Something is wrong.....Please give this great thought....again I am sure this 
is repetitive of what you are recieving....and I am sure you are all working 
on it, but, something needs to be implemented and fast....



Individual Comment

 
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Where can I sign up against this discrimination against Gays
and the September 11th Fund!


It is wrong to discriminate and I would like to know who to contact!

thanks
Individual Comment
Milford, CT  
 
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December 13, 2001


Special Master Kenneth R. Feinberg
September 11th Victim Compensation Fund
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950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20530

To Mr. Feinberg:

I am writing to urge you to ensure fair treatment for all surviving families of the tragedy on
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Sincerely,

Individual Comment
Belmont, VT
 
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Monday, January 14, 2002 9:08 PM
Help same sex partners of terrorist victims


Dear Mr. Zwick:

The very humane Fund for relatives of victims of the September 11
terrorist attacks must include all relatives of all the victims.

This importantly should include the partners and children of same sex
unions.  They suffer just as grievously for their deceased loved ones
as do other survivors, and their need for assistance is just as great.

Please do not give in to the importuning of callous homophobic groups
and individuals who would have the Department of Justice limit
compensation to survivors of heterosexual unions.  They are interested
in a political victory, not humane assistance.

This Fund is intended for humane purposes; it is not a political
statement, Mr. Zwick.

Sincerely,

Individual Comment
 
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Tuesday, November 06, 2001 7:50 AM
Recommendations

I am a Vice President of Claims for an insurance company and have spent 22 
years in this field. I have recommendations on the process, and who should 
run it.

I recommend that you establish a needs based system for distribution of 
funds. The first tier is evaluation of individual economic need, wherein you 
establish a victim profile based on mortgage and home costs, an education 
cost per child by age assuming a 4 year public institution degree, fixed 
health costs including costs for existing illnesses and conditions, and a 
general cost of living factor by family. The next tier should be collateral 
source, evaluating life insurance recoveries, other insurance recoveries, 
existing financial assets and projected future revenue from sale of 
businesses or other assets. 

After compiling this data, develop a tiered system for categorizing victims, 
set a fixed amount per family, use a multiplier based on number of children 
and other factors. Then, rather than paying fixed amounts, buy annuities to 
ensure stable ongoing income and funds available for future expenses such as 
college. This will also maximize each dollar paid.

Finally, set up a catastrophic medical cost fund. This is a separate fund 
that will be used to pay for future large unexpected and currently 
undiagnosed medical expenses resulting from injury or illness to victims. You 
could back this up with the purchase of a health insurance policy.

One last comment. Do not let trial lawyers determine who receives what. 
Lawyers interests are in maximizing recoveries for individual clients, in 
part to capture the largest fee possible. Although lawyers have agreed not to 
take a fee, on an individual basis, conceptually, they have limited ability 
to objectively consider the needs of the victims as a whole. Further, there 
is a component of self-interest; they are involved to expand their practice, 
image and for further client development. This will breed competition among 
lawyers, which is not healthy for the process or the victims.

Claims managers such as myself  are responsible for determining the value of 
claims based on objective criteria, known facts and with no consideration for 
anything other than indemnification of the claiming party. The mindset is 
different from that of personal injury lawyers. It is process driven, and 
ensures equitable distribution across a large group of claimants. Therefore, 
I recommend you set up a team of experienced claims managers and 
professionals to manage the distribution process.

I would gladly volunteer my available time to participate.

Individual Comment
 
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December 14, 2001


Special Master Kenneth R. Feinberg
September 11th Victim Compensation Fund
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20530

To Mr. Feinberg:

I am writing to urge you to ensure fair treatment for all surviving families of the tragedy on September 11th, including the children and families of low-wage workers and gay and lesbian families.  
Under
traditional rules based on lost wages, the survivors of a bond trader earning millions of dollars per
year might receive thousands of times as much compensation as the survivors of a dishwasher in one of
the restaurants destroyed. Justice requires looking far beyond the last paycheck to the inherent worth of
all those killed, so that a high minimum compensation level is set to lessen the disparities. It would be a
double blow to the survivors to first lose their loved one and then watch as most of the taxpayer money went to those who were already well off in the first place.

The second major issue has to do with recognizing the legitimacy of gay and lesbian relationships and 
families. Gay and lesbian families are especially vulnerable when one partner is killed. Because the
option of marriage is unavailable, these families may find themselves in the traumatic predicament of
having to prove that their union is legitimate. Fortunately, both the Red Cross and the State of New
York have already announced that they will not discriminate against gay and lesbian families. The Department of Justice should do the same.

Thank you for considering my comments. I look forward to hearing how you will act on these very important issues.

Sincerely,

Individual Comment
Los Angeles,CA
 
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Wednesday, December 26, 2001 9:39 PM
Comments on Interim Final Rule

Just some quick thoughts on the compensation amounts as estimated in the tables. I think they are too high!  These comments only pertain to compensation related to deceased victims - not disabled victims.

I think the flat non-economic number is adequate ($250K per victim, plus extra $50K per spouse and each dependent).  I assume all biological children will be considered as dependents (for example, if victim was single and had 2 biological children, filed taxes, but the kids weren't claimed as dependents, each of the kids would still get $50K).  

Economic:
For single deceased victims, the default should be that there is zero economic loss.  I am a 44 years old, single (widow), no kids, have worked for 20 years, and there would be no economic loss to my parents/sister/anyone if I dropped dead.  They would inherit my estate (house, IRAs, personal property, etc.), and would no longer get presents at Christmas/etc., but would not "lose" anything because I was no longer around collecting a paycheck.  This is also true for these deceased victims.  The ONLY economic compensation pertaining to singles should be 
  a) Child support the deceased was legally required to pay (as ordered by a court or other legally binding document).  This payment would be made/adjusted/discontinued just as the child support payment would have been - no special considerations.  There may be other situations other than child support that the deceased was legally required to pay, and they could follow their respective court orders/legal documents (like alimony, or if the deceased maimed someone, whatever).
  b) Dependents the deceased victim supported but was NOT legally obligated to support - for example, they might have been providing support for an elderly parent, a niece/nephew, an orphaned child.  In this type of case I would use the tax filings (where the dependent was claimed) and supporting documentation to show how much the dependent was receiving.  These should be considered on a case-by-case basis and a reasonable determination made (yes - we will continue to support the orphaned child or elderly parent; yes-and-no - we will continue to support your freeloader buddy only for 2 years).
These economic losses should only be paid if they are not already taken care of in the deceased's will/estate (there may already be a trust or something set up).  So the economic portion could potentially go back down to zero.  

The sum of any non-economic plus economic would still be subject to reduction based on 'other source compensation'.

For married deceased victims, I would use the same non-economic numbers as above ($250K + $50K per spouse/dependent).

Economic:  For dependents, I would use the same approach as I outlined above, the difference being that instead of using a legally ordered child support amount you would use a consumption factor based on the salary.  This would continue until a time similar to that for child support (graduates high school or college complete (if attending) or whatever).  Other dependents could be handled as described above.  This would be similar to that expected in a divorce settlement, which frankly a lot of marriages would probably hit anyway (lets be realistic here!).  The economic portion for the surviving spouse SHOULD NOT assume they will never have to work or cannot be expected to support themselves.  They will have access to the support provided for children/dependents, so it is only their support that is at issue.  I would give them 4 years of the lost paycheck (no real need for projections or inflation adjustments, etc.).  That gives them enough time to 'grieve' and figure out how they are going to support themselves.  It also insures that kids are in or getting close to school age.  These economic portions (dependents and spouse) would only be paid if not already taken care of by the deceased's will/estate.  Same as above.

And, like for singles, this non-economic plus economic sum would still be subject to reduction based on 'other source compensation'.

If this seems like 'it is not enough', consider all of those surviving 'whatevers' who get NO SPECIAL CONSIDERATION!  The survivors of these deceased victims should be grateful for anything they receive from the tax-payers resources.  Lets not forget all of the charity money, also from fellow human beings, that they are already receiving.   It is time for them to start breaking out of denial - they are not "special", they are just a group of survivors-in-common that are getting a lot of free press coverage!

Just me --
Individual Comment
Denver, Colorado

 
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Wednesday, March 13, 2002 1:42 PM
Domestic pertner rights


I'll make this short. How can you bow to state
rights when they so clearly violate the nation's
Constitution and founding principles? 

The framers did not give equal rights to all -
women and slaves were considered second-class
citizens at the time - but there was nothing to
limit the rights of gay Americans. Homosexuality
has existed throughout recorded history, so this
is not aan issue like gun control that has
changed since our first laws were written. So
this crop of anti-gay laws is the biggest removal
of citizens' rights since Holocaust Germany.

Don't demean the heroes of 9/11 by allowing
discrimination. Be a hero yourself. Support equal
protection under the law.

In the bonds of second-class citizenship,

Individual Comment
 
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Tuesday, December 04, 2001 3:01 PM
September 11th Victim Compensation Fund

Dear Mr. Zwick:

I am writing in response to the Department's request for public
comments regarding the forthcoming regulations for implementing
and administering the "September 11 Victim Compensation Fund." 
I strongly urge the Department to draft regulations that ensure
compensation is available to all victims of the attack,
including the committed partners and the non-biological children
of gay and lesbian victims.

It is unquestionable that the devastating grief and economic
losses suffered by the families of gay and lesbian victims are
no less than that of other families.  Just as the terrorists
drew no lines in choosing their victims, our country must draw
no lines in compensating those who suffered the most personal of
losses from these horrific attacks.

Many Americans lost their lives on September 11, each of whom
left behind loved ones.  I urge the Department to honor these
bonds by treating the families of gay and lesbian victims as you
would any other.

Sincerely,
Individual Comment
Lenoir City, TN

 
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              <text>Wednesday, December 19, 2001 5:33 PM
Support Equal Access to Benefits for Surviving Gay and Lesbian
Partners!


December  19, 2001

Dear Mr. Kenneth Zwick,

I write as a member of Amnesty International, a worldwide human rights
movement committed to ensuring respect for the basic human rights of people
without discrimination, in support of equal access to benefits under the
September 11 Victims Relief Fund for all victims, regardless of sexual
orientation or marital status. As you know, the United States has
committed to uphold international human rights standards, including the
Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the International Covenant on
Civil and Political Rights, which prohibit arbitrary discrimination.
  
As you consider rules for administering the relief fund, I ask that you
apply basic international human rights standards, and the general principle
of equality, by including among relatives eligible for compensation those
who lost their life partners, as well as de facto parents or children,
without regard to sexual orientation or marital status.  The State of New
York has already adopted such a policy, granting compensation benefits "on
a showing of mutual interdependence with the victim, in recognition that
anyone who shared with the victim living expenses, day to day activities
and the emotional bonds of family deserves help in this time of need."

Many lesbian and gay people were killed in the September 11th attacks.
Since then, lesbian and gay surviving partners of those killed have had
mixed results in obtaining equal treatment at the local level in the
distribution of relief funds by private and state agencies.  An inclusive
policy on the part of the federal government would help establish an
important principle for other such funds.  In compensating victims, real
justice will be served only when all families - and all types of families -
impacted by the human rights tragedy of September 11 are treated with
dignity and equality. 

Thank you for considering my concerns. I look forward to hearing from you
about your efforts to ensure that all surviving victims of the September 11
attacks have equal access to the relief fund.


Sincerely,

Individual Comment
Chicago, IL
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              <text>December 13, 2001
Special Master Kenneth R. Feinberg
September 11th Victim Compensation Fund
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20530
To Mr. Feinberg:
I am writing to urge you to ensure fair treatment for all surviving
families of the tragedy on September 11th, including the children and families
of low-wage workers and gay and lesbian families.
Under traditional rules based on lost wages, the survivors of a bond
trader earning millions of dollars per year might receive thousands of
times as much compensation as the survivors of a dishwasher in one of the
restaurants destroyed. Justice requires looking far beyond the last paycheck
to the inherent worth of all those killed, so that a high minimum compensation
level is set to lessen the disparities. It would be a double blow to the
survivors to first lose their loved one and then watch as most of the taxpayer
money went to those who were already well off in the first place.
The second major issue has to do with recognizing the legitimacy of
gay and lesbian relationships and families. Gay and lesbian families are
especially vulnerable when one partner is killed. Because the option of
marriage is unavailable, these families may find themselves in the traumatic
predicament of having to prove that their union is legitimate. Fortunately
both the Red Cross and the State of New York have already announced that
they will not discriminate against gay and lesbian families. The Department
of Justice should do the same.
Thank you for considering my comments. I look forward to hearing how
you will act on these very important issues.
Sincerely,
Individual Comment
Farwell, MI
 
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December 13, 2001


Special Master Kenneth R. Feinberg
September 11th Victim Compensation Fund
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950 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20530

To Mr. Feinberg:

I am writing to urge you to ensure fair treatment for all surviving families of the tragedy on September
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Thank you for considering my comments. I look forward to hearing how you will act on these very
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Sincerely,

Individual Comment
Fort Bragg,CA 
 
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Thursday, December 13, 2001 9:33 PM
Protect Traditional Marriage


Mr. Kenneth Zwick
Office of Management Programs Department of Justice
Washington. DC
Dear Mr. Zwick:

I
want to express my opposition to any effort by the federal government to provide
9-11 victim compensation funds to "domestic partners" of unmarried
survivors of the terrorist attack upon our nation.
Funds
disbursed through the September 11th Victim Compensation Fund of 2001 should
only go to the surviving family members of those who died on 9-11. Funds must go
to the widows, widowers, orphans, and other blood-related or adopted members of
the family--not to unmarried sexual partners of those who died.
To
provide funds to "domestic partners" is to undermine the traditional
definition of marriage and family to include any number of sexual liaisons
between same-sex or opposite-sex unmarried couples. Many homosexuals and
swinging heterosexuals, for example, engage in sex with multiple partners. Do we
provide funds to each of the sexual partners? Where do we draw the line on how
many "domestic partners" a person may have?Homosexual
activists are exploiting the 9-11 tragedy by asking the federal government to
redefine what constitutes a legitimate "family" under the law. In
fact, homosexual activist &amp;nbsp&amp;nbsp&amp;nbsp&amp;nbsp , writing in Out magazine
has openly called for the subversion of the concept of marriage between a man
and a woman. He has urged homosexuals to fight for the legalization of
homosexual marriages and once legalized to "redefine the institution of
marriage completely . . . . to debunk a myth and radically alter an archaic
institution. . . . The most subversive action lesbians and gays can under
take--and one that would perhaps benefit all of society--is to transform the
notion of 'family' entirely."
If
the DOJ provides funds to "domestic partners," it will be helping
&amp;nbsp&amp;nbsp&amp;nbsp&amp;nbsp accomplish his goal: That of redefining marriage and altering what he
calls an "archaic institution." 
We
also oppose September 11th Funds going to the estates of the deceased instead of
to their surviving family members. No one can know for certain where these funds
will end up if they are deposited in the estate of a person who has died. The
person may have willed his estate to a terrorist, racial hate group, or even to
an organization like the North American Man-Boy Love Association. No one will
know unless each person's will is examined by a DOJ lawyer.
The
money should go to the surviving family members of the deceased, not to the
estate or to the surviving "domestic partner." 
 
Individual Comment
Smyrna, TN


 
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December 14, 2001


Special Master Kenneth R. Feinberg
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950 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20530

To Mr. Feinberg:

I am writing to urge you to ensure fair treatment for all surviving families of the tragedy on September 11th, including the children and families of low-wage workers and gay and lesbian families.  Under
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Thank you for considering my comments. I look forward to hearing how you will act on these very important issues.

Sincerely,
     
Individual Comment
Santa Cruz, CA
 
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Monday, March 18, 2002 12:24 PM
A distressed query


I am distressed that, according to Kenneth Feinberg in his appearance on the
Sunday, March 10 broadcast of NBC's "Meet the Press," illegal aliens will be
compensated for their losses incurred during the violence on 911, but gay
men and lesbians cannot be unless their domestic situation has been
recognized by their state's laws.

Illegal aliens have actively VIOLATED our laws, yet compensation will be
granted to them --with promises moreover that once they come forward to
claim it, there will be no recrimination or retribution of any kind.

There is of course NO STATE LAW ANYWHERE that condones the violation of the
immigration laws of the nation.  Why are State laws being "honored" in one
instance, and being considered unimportant in the other?

Unless they have criminal records, the gay men and lesbians who died on
September 11 were law-abiding citizens, and the same goes for their partners
and family members. The absence of state laws santioning their life choices
is simply a consequence of long-standing and indefensible prejudice.

I am offended that the 911 Fund intends to compensate those who broke the
law while penalizing those who abided by it.  The prejudice inherent in this
announced practice is un-American to say the least.  It dishonors the fallen
and does inexcusable harm to those they left behind.

Individual Comment
Baltimore, MD
 
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