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                <text>The Madison Area Peace Coalition (MAPC) formed fourteen days after the September 11 attacks to oppose (among other goals) the use of U.S. military, economic, or political force – whether direct or proxy, overt or covert -- "that violates the sovereignty or human rights of any nation or people." The Archive has assembled here e-mails exchanges from MAPC dating from the group's founding until late November 2001.</text>
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            <text>      -- Just a clarification that the Student caucus do not all feel negatively toward the peace symbol. Some had issues with it, and had an alternate idea, but is was not a group position. Thanks for the interesting historical info on the symbol. I'm all for carrying on the tradition!  X



&gt;I couldn't read all the way through this message from X without 

&gt;reacting... here goes: 

&gt; 

&gt;My best advice to the kids and the grown-ups who want to hassle this is "get 

&gt;a life." The Peace Symbol is a wonderful thing... paint it green if you 

&gt;have to, use it as a global truss if that appeals to your graphic 

&gt;sensibilities, but don't drop it and here's why... 

&gt; 

&gt;The so called "Peace Symbol" pre-dates most of us (apologies to the 

&gt;septuagenarians and older folks in our membership). By the mid-1950s, 

&gt;public protests of the nuclear arms race were building. In 1955, the year in 

&gt;which Albert Einstein died, he and Bertrand Russell issued a Manifesto 

&gt;warning of the dangers of continuing the nuclear arms race. Two years later 

&gt;in 1957 the great humanitarian Albert Schweitzer made a public "Declaration 

&gt;of Conscience" in which he stated that "the end of further experiments with 

&gt;atom bombs would be like early sun rays of hope which suffering humanity is 

&gt;longing for." The Committee for a Sane Nuclear Policy (SANE), an 

&gt;organization of private citizens seeking to alter official nuclear policies, 

&gt;was formed in 1957. 

&gt; 

&gt;One of the most widely known symbols in the world, in Britain it is 

&gt;recognised as standing for nuclear disarmament - and in particular as the 

&gt;logo of the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament (CND). In the United States and 

&gt;much of the rest of the world it is known more broadly as the peace symbol. 

&gt;It was designed in 1958 by Gerald Holtom, a professional designer and artist 

&gt;and a graduate of the Royal College of Arts. He showed his preliminary 

&gt;sketches to a small group of people in the Peace News office in North London 

&gt;and to the Direct Action Committee Against Nuclear War, one of several 

&gt;smaller organisations that came together to set up CND. 

&gt; 

&gt;The Direct Action Committee had already planned what was to be the first 

&gt;major anti-nuclear march, from London to Aldermaston, where British nuclear 

&gt;weapons were and still are manufactured. It was on that march, over the 1958 

&gt;Easter weekend that the symbol first appeared in public. Five hundred 

&gt;cardboard lollipops on sticks were produced. Half were black on white and 

&gt;half white on green. Just as the church's liturgical colours change over 

&gt;Easter, so the colours were to change, "from Winter to Spring, from Death to 

&gt;Life." Black and white would be displayed on Good Friday and Saturday, green 

&gt;and white on Easter Sunday and Monday. 

&gt; 

&gt;The first badges were made by Eric Austin of Kensington CND using white clay 

&gt;with the symbol painted black. Again there was a conscious symbolism . They 

&gt;were distributed with a note explaining that in the event of a nuclear war, 

&gt;these fired pottery badges would be among the few human artifacts to survive 

&gt;the nuclear inferno. These early ceramic badges can still be found and one, 

&gt;lent by CND, was included in the Imperial War Museum's 1999/2000 exhibition 

&gt;From the Bomb to the Beatles. 

&gt; 

&gt;What does it mean? 

&gt; 

&gt;Gerald Holtom, a conscientious objector who had worked on a farm in Norfolk 

&gt;during the Second World War, explained that the symbol incorporated the 

&gt;semaphore letters N(uclear) and D(isarmament). He later wrote to Hugh Brock, 

&gt;editor of Peace News, explaining the genesis of his idea in greater, more 

&gt;personal depth: 

&gt; 

&gt;I was in despair. Deep despair. I drew myself: the representative of an 

&gt;individual in despair, with hands palm outstretched outwards and downwards 

&gt;in the manner of Goya's peasant before the firing squad. I formalised the 

&gt;drawing into a line and put a circle round it. 

&gt; 

&gt;Eric Austin added his own interpretation of the design: "the gesture of 

&gt;despair had long been associated with the death of Man and the circle with 

&gt;the unborn child." 

&gt; 

&gt; 

&gt;Gerald Holtom had originally considered using the Christian cross symbol 

&gt;within a circle as the motif for the march but various priests he had 

&gt;approached with the suggestion were not happy at the idea of using the cross 

&gt;on a protest march. Later, ironically, Christian CND were to use the symbol 

&gt;with the central stroke extended upwards to form the upright of a cross. 

&gt;This adaptation of the design was only one of many subsequently invented by 

&gt;various groups within CND and for specific occasions - with a cross below as 

&gt;a women's symbol, with a daffodil or a thistle incorporated by CND Cymru and 

&gt;Scottish CND, with little legs for a sponsored walk etc. Whether Gerald 

&gt;Holtom would have approved of some of the more light-hearted versions is 

&gt;open to doubt. 

&gt; 

&gt;The symbol almost at once crossed the Atlantic. Bayard Rustin, a close 

&gt;associate of Martin Luther King had come over from the US in order to take 

&gt;part in that first Aldermaston March. He took the symbol back to the United 

&gt;States where it was used on civil rights marches. Later it appeared on 

&gt;anti-Vietnam War demonstrations and was even seen daubed in protest on their 

&gt;helmets by American GIs. Simpler to draw than the Picasso peace dove, it 

&gt;became known, first in the US and then round the world as the peace symbol. 

&gt;It appeared on the walls of Prague when the Soviet tanks invaded in 1968, on 

&gt;the Berlin Wall, in Sarajevo and Belgrade, on the graves of the victims of 

&gt;military dictators from the Greek Colonels to the Argentinian junta, and 

&gt;most recently in East Timor. 

&gt; 

&gt;There have been claims that the symbol has older, occult or anti-Christian 

&gt;associations. In South Africa, under the apartheid regime, there was an 

&gt;official attempt to ban it. Various far-right and fundamentalist American 

&gt;groups have also spread the idea of Satanic associations or condemned it as 

&gt;a Communist sign. However the origins and the ideas behind the symbol have 

&gt;been clearly described, both in letters and in interviews, by Gerald Holtom 

&gt;and his original, first sketches are now on display as part of the 

&gt;Commonweal Collection in Bradford. 

&gt; 

&gt;Although specifically designed for the anti-nuclear movement it has quite 

&gt;deliberately never been copyrighted. No one has to pay or to seek permission 

&gt;before they use it. A symbol of freedom, it is free for all. This of course 

&gt;sometimes leads to its use, or misuse, in circumstances that CND and the 

&gt;peace movement find distasteful. It is also often exploited for commercial, 

&gt;advertising or generally fashion purposes. We can't stop this happening and 

&gt;have no intention of copyrighting it. All we can do is to ask commercial 

&gt;users if they would like to make a donation. Any money received is used for 

&gt;CND's peace education and information work. 

&gt; 

&gt;(material from the CND website) 

&gt; 

&gt; 

&gt; 

&gt; 

&gt;Here is a link to the Russell - Einstein manisfesto issued in 1955: 

&gt;http://www.nuclearfiles.org/docs/1955/550709-russel-einstein.html 

&gt; 

&gt; 

&gt; 

&gt; 

&gt;-----Original Message----- 

&gt;From: X

&gt;Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 8:51 PM 

&gt;To: discuss@madpeace.org 

&gt;Cc: stopwardisc@yahoogroups.com 

&gt;Subject: [MAPC-discuss] MAPC Logo Design -- Graphics, Symbolism, and 

&gt;Baggage 

&gt; 

&gt; 

&gt;Hi all! 

&gt; 

&gt;Just a heads up that the MAPC logo will be on the agenda for Tuesday night's 

&gt;general membership meeting, and a few comments (okay, I lied - lots of 

&gt;comments) since I may not be able to attend the whole meeting. 

&gt; 

&gt;While (AFAIK) we've never voted on this, the peace sign wrapped around the 

&gt;globe has become the de facto MAPC logo. (IIRC the general membership 

&gt;referred the logo question back to the Arts &amp; Culture WG, and they couldn't 

&gt;come up with anything better.) 

&gt; 

&gt;The Student/Youth Caucus has objected to this logo, and designed a new one, 

&gt;which will be presented on Tuesday. (As I understand it, the problem is 

&gt;that the peace sign is tied to a particular historic era, and carries 

&gt;baggage which is too hippie-ish -- as opposed to activist. There is also 

&gt;concern that the grey-scale of the logo does not reduce or reproduce well.) 

&gt;Their proposed logo has a half-globe, without peace sign, with paler images 

&gt;of the globe radiating out from it. (Lousy description, I know.) 

&gt; 

&gt;I sympathize with the S/YC's objections, but I like their proposed graphic 

&gt;even less than the one we've been using. To me, it's not particularly 

&gt;distinctive, and a globe alone just doesn't say "peace" to me. It could 

&gt;just as easily be the logo graphic for a global telecommunications 

&gt;corporation. 

&gt; 

&gt;Then again, I'm not sure that any graphic we pick to represent 

&gt;"peace/anti-war" will be acceptable to and truly representative of the whole 

&gt;Coalition. The Vietnam-era peace sign is, well, Vietnam era, and doesn't 

&gt;represent the new generation of activists. The dove has a longer history, 

&gt;but strikes me as a bit too "Pacifist" in image, as does the rifle with a 

&gt;flower in its barrel, broken rifle, broken bomb, and a few others. The 

&gt;other predominant image from the Vietnam era, the clenched fist, of course, 

&gt;has the opposite connotation. We've already been through the discussion of 

&gt;incorporating the symbolism of the American flag; some of us think "peace is 

&gt;patriotic" and others of us think U.S. nationalism is part of the problem. 

&gt;And while the globe could well be something that none of us object to, it 

&gt;really doesn't symbolize anything that distinguishes us from the other side. 

&gt; 

&gt;"Madison area" is tough to symbolize graphically. The most identifiable 

&gt;symbols are architectural (the State Capitol), and we have nothing to do 

&gt;with state government. Doing something with the outline of the state and 

&gt;highlighting the Madison area really doesn't work graphically. And I doubt 

&gt;that anyone would recognize that a satellite view of the Four Lakes was 

&gt;anything other than a Rorschach inkblot test. 

&gt; 

&gt;We could try to have a symbol for everyone, incorporating lots of different 

&gt;images in the logo, but the result would likely be an unwieldy mess. 

&gt; 

&gt;My personal opinion at this point is that we should either (1)come up with a 

&gt;graphic that is brand new -- no baggage from past movements or ideologies -- 

&gt;(and I have no earthly idea what this would be); or (2) just go with a 

&gt;"words-only" logo, using a very distinctive typestyle and arrangement of the 

&gt;words in our organization name. If the typestyle and arrangement are 

&gt;distinctive enough, IMO the logo will be recognizeable and identifiable, and 

&gt;would avoid the symbolism &amp; baggage problems inherent in selecting any 

&gt;graphic image for a diverse coalition. 

&gt; 

&gt;XX 

&gt; 

&gt; 

&gt; 

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