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                <text>The Madison Area Peace Coalition (MAPC) formed fourteen days after the September 11 attacks to oppose (among other goals) the use of U.S. military, economic, or political force – whether direct or proxy, overt or covert -- "that violates the sovereignty or human rights of any nation or people." The Archive has assembled here e-mails exchanges from MAPC dating from the group's founding until late November 2001.</text>
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I'm assuming that x intended this reply to go to the lists, not just to
me, so I'm forwarding it along.  (If I'm wrong, I apologize, but with time
being of the essence, I decided to take the chance.)

x

----- Original Message -----
From: "x" &lt;x&gt;
To: "x" &lt;x&gt;
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 9:44 AM
Subject: RE: [MAPC-coord] action, no action?


&gt; Yes I have an opinion...  I think our reactionary plans to respond to
&gt; egregious actions on the part of the US are totally off the mark.  Barring
&gt; deployment of tactical nukes to the field, employment of weapons of mass
&gt; destruction, or overt invasion with intent to occupy a country, nothing
the
&gt; US does right now will upset enough of the people to help us gather a big
&gt; rally.  A big rally in my experience in Madison is over 1000 people.  A
&gt; medium size rally is between three or four hundred and a thousand.  How
many
&gt; of us think we can even organize a medium size rally in response to an ill
&gt; defined set of "emergencies" that we intend to react against?  We need to
&gt; look deeper for a strategy and tactics that won't have our best people
&gt; burning out from so much work to so little result.  We need to define a
&gt; program of constant social pressure.  We need to keep the issues squarely
in
&gt; front of the people 7 by 24.  And I think we need to do this without
&gt; alienating and polarizing people.
&gt;
&gt; I think the art event planned for next week is wonderful because it is
&gt; independent of CNN ("all anthrax all the time" as Beth says).  How much
&gt; tabling do we have the resources to support, week in and week out at both
&gt; unions?  How many other "vigils" like the Quaker sponsored ones on Monday
&gt; and Friday can we organize and support?  A few people here and there all
the
&gt; time is far more effective than poorly attended rallies held in response
to
&gt; ill defined emergencies.
&gt;
&gt; I'm not saying all of our rally activities to date have been ineffective
or
&gt; poorly attended... far from it!  But organizers who can help to channel a
&gt; spontaneous response from the people with a rally will be far more
effective
&gt; than organizers who attempt to drum up a response.
&gt;
&gt; I think we need to refine our approaches:  hold rallies that are well
&gt; planned and/or responsive to a clear need; work with education and
outreach
&gt; to see that tables are planned and manned, ummm... personed; organize in
the
&gt; community around people who may want to respond to the war with peaceful
&gt; activity, but could give a rats ass regarding abstruse economic issues
like
&gt; G8 summits.  Want to educate these people?  Give them time and good
&gt; examples.
&gt;
&gt; Comments?  Thoughts?
&gt;
&gt; -x-
&gt;
&gt; -----Original Message-----
&gt; From: x
&gt; [mailto:x]On Behalf Of
&gt; x
&gt; Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 11:35 PM
&gt; To: x
&gt; Cc: x
&gt; Subject: Re: [MAPC-coord] action, no action?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Aaaargh.
&gt;
&gt; Part of me says "If we have to ask whether we should hold an emergency
&gt; rally, we shouldn't hold it."
&gt;
&gt; The other part of me feels like a frog in a pot of water on the stove.  If
&gt; the heat is turned up gradually enough, the frog never knows when to jump,
&gt; until it's too late.
&gt;
&gt; I realize that's not very helpful.  Anyone else have an opinion?
&gt;
&gt; x
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; ----- Original Message -----
&gt; From: "x" &lt;x&gt;
&gt; To: &lt;x&gt;
&gt; Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 10:34 PM
&gt; Subject: [MAPC-coord] action, no action?
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; &gt; all (this is really a response to x's friday morning
&gt; &gt; call to potential action/questions and x's friday
&gt; &gt; night hey it looks like we should at least do a picket
&gt; &gt; line sat afternoon emails):
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; if we are going to do this tomorrow, as x is
&gt; &gt; suggesting, i am out, as i have to work, but pls keep
&gt; &gt; me posted, as i will then start the arts chain going.
&gt; &gt; do we want same signs or more? x has sticks and i
&gt; &gt; have cardboard, etc.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; i wonder if, and this is just a wonder, having even a
&gt; &gt; picket when the action is not being well-publicized is
&gt; &gt; a good idea. i know that there is much going on in
&gt; &gt; this war, like all other us "actions" which is
&gt; &gt; underwritten dramatically, and we need to call
&gt; &gt; attention to it, however, folks are more likely to
&gt; &gt; understand what we are calling for and call with us if
&gt; &gt; it is of a dramatic nature. subjective nature, i
&gt; &gt; suppose. as we all agreed at the last meeting, from
&gt; &gt; here on out it is much more subjective than just the
&gt; &gt; bombing beginning.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; regardless, i will pass the word if i hear back from
&gt; &gt; more folks.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; thanks,
&gt; &gt; x
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; --- x &lt;x&gt; wrote:
&gt; &gt; &gt; Hi all,
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; I'm back from work and the media coverage is
&gt; &gt; &gt; different than this
&gt; &gt; &gt; morning. This morning, TV had reported it as
&gt; &gt; &gt; "deploying ground troops."
&gt; &gt; &gt; Now the media is characterizing it as "a handful of
&gt; &gt; &gt; U.S. special forces."
&gt; &gt; &gt; Given that description, it looks like we do not need
&gt; &gt; &gt; to employ our
&gt; &gt; &gt; emergency response today. What a relief!  However, I
&gt; &gt; &gt; think we need to
&gt; &gt; &gt; be READY if troops are sent in. Given the quick
&gt; &gt; &gt; nature in which this
&gt; &gt; &gt; may happen, I opt for planning our strategy now so
&gt; &gt; &gt; we don't have to
&gt; &gt; &gt; scramble later. I think a picket line would be the
&gt; &gt; &gt; most expedient course,
&gt; &gt; &gt; especially given the fact that we've already had
&gt; &gt; &gt; numerous
&gt; &gt; &gt; rallies. Also, a picket line is a lot less work to
&gt; &gt; &gt; organize than a rally.
&gt; &gt; &gt; Rallies involve amplification, multiple speakers,
&gt; &gt; &gt; musicians, etc. We would
&gt; &gt; &gt; need the following to be ready if we decide on a
&gt; &gt; &gt; picket line: press release,
&gt; &gt; &gt; press contacts, bullhorn or portable sound system
&gt; &gt; &gt; (or both), picket signs,
&gt; &gt; &gt; chant sheets, and MAPC literature. These tasks cross
&gt; &gt; &gt; over multiple
&gt; &gt; &gt; committees so I think we ought to decide now what we
&gt; &gt; &gt; want to do and
&gt; &gt; &gt; start preparing within the committees--then we won't
&gt; &gt; &gt; be in a crisis
&gt; &gt; &gt; mode later.
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Thoughts?
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Peace,
&gt; &gt; &gt; x
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; ----- Original Message -----
&gt; &gt; &gt; From: "x" &lt;x&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; To: &lt;x&gt;;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &lt;x&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 10:31 AM
&gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: [MAPC-coord] Re: [MAPC-action] 5pm Action
&gt; &gt; &gt; Protesting Ground Troops
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; CNN is reporting a small deployment of Special
&gt; &gt; &gt; Forces ground troops,
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; probably intended to locate targets for air
&gt; &gt; &gt; strikes rather than to engage
&gt; &gt; &gt; in
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; combat.  Fox News is reporting three teams of a
&gt; &gt; &gt; dozen troops each.  One of
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; them reported that there had been numerous prior
&gt; &gt; &gt; sightings of U.S. troops,
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; but that this was the first official confirmation.
&gt; &gt; &gt;  It's not the top story
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; either place.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; My recollection from the CC discussions was that
&gt; &gt; &gt; an emergency response
&gt; &gt; &gt; would
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; be automatic in the event of a non-Special Forces
&gt; &gt; &gt; ground invasion or a
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; *major* deployment of Special Forces, but that a
&gt; &gt; &gt; small Special Forces
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; deployment would not necessarily trigger an
&gt; &gt; &gt; emergency action.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I would also note that, in the two hours since Rae
&gt; &gt; &gt; posted this, there has
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; been no other discussion of an action on any of
&gt; &gt; &gt; the MAPC lists.  So I
&gt; &gt; &gt; don't
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; get the impression that other folks in MAPC have
&gt; &gt; &gt; interpreted this as
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; requiring immediate action.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; My own feeling -- perhaps influenced by the fact
&gt; &gt; &gt; that I'm sick and can't
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; help out regardless -- is that this is not a
&gt; &gt; &gt; significant military
&gt; &gt; &gt; escalation
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; and is probably just a public acknowledgment of
&gt; &gt; &gt; what has been happening on
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; the ground all along.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; x
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; ----- Original Message -----
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; From: "x" &lt;x&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; To: &lt;x&gt;;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &lt;x&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 7:53 AM
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: [MAPC-action] 5pm Action Protesting
&gt; &gt; &gt; Ground Troops
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; The media is saying that the US has sent ground
&gt; &gt; &gt; troops into Afghanistan.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; We
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; had planned on a 5pm action on the capitol in
&gt; &gt; &gt; response to this. I think
&gt; &gt; &gt; we
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; should go ahead, but given all the other things
&gt; &gt; &gt; we are doing, we should
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; keep
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; it simple.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I propose we just have a picket line. The
&gt; &gt; &gt; following things need to be
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; done:
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Get an announcement out to WORT to build the
&gt; &gt; &gt; action.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Get a bullhorn.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Put together a sheet of chants.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; What do you think?
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Unfortunately, I am walking out the door to go
&gt; &gt; &gt; to work, so I can't help
&gt; &gt; &gt; on
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; this. Given the fact its a work day, I suspect
&gt; &gt; &gt; alot of other people are
&gt; &gt; &gt; in
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; the same boat. Can someone step up and run with
&gt; &gt; &gt; this?
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Thanks.
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; x
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