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                <text>The Madison Area Peace Coalition (MAPC) formed fourteen days after the September 11 attacks to oppose (among other goals) the use of U.S. military, economic, or political force – whether direct or proxy, overt or covert -- "that violates the sovereignty or human rights of any nation or people." The Archive has assembled here e-mails exchanges from MAPC dating from the group's founding until late November 2001.</text>
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I'd be very interested in seeing what the Student/Youth Caucus comes up with
as
a design and see if it works better or worse than what we have now.

However, I disagree that the peace symbol is simply a symbol of the Vietnam
era
- e.g. I see youth today hold up the peace sign all the time.

I personally very much like the logo we now use and think it would be good
to
work the bugs out of the problem of the grey-scale so there won't be
reproduction problems.  I certtainly don't think we should go without a
graphic
and only use our name.  Art communicates so much and so simply, plus we
won't
look bland if we only used words.

X

X wrote:

&gt; Hi all!
&gt;
&gt; Just a heads up that the MAPC logo will be on the agenda for Tuesday
night's
&gt; general membership meeting, and a few comments (okay, I lied - lots of
&gt; comments) since I may not be able to attend the whole meeting.
&gt;
&gt; While (AFAIK) we've never voted on this, the peace sign wrapped around the
&gt; globe has become the de facto MAPC logo.  (IIRC the general membership
&gt; referred the logo question back to the Arts &amp; Culture WG, and they
couldn't
&gt; come up with anything better.)
&gt;
&gt; The Student/Youth Caucus has objected to this logo, and designed a new
one,
&gt; which will be presented on Tuesday.  (As I understand it, the problem is
&gt; that the peace sign is tied to a particular historic era, and carries
&gt; baggage which is too hippie-ish -- as opposed to activist.  There is also
&gt; concern that the grey-scale of the logo does not reduce or reproduce
well.)
&gt; Their proposed logo has a half-globe, without peace sign, with paler
images
&gt; of the globe radiating out from it.  (Lousy description, I know.)
&gt;
&gt; I sympathize with the S/YC's objections, but I like their proposed graphic
&gt; even less than the one we've been using.  To me, it's not particularly
&gt; distinctive, and a globe alone just doesn't say "peace" to me.  It could
&gt; just as easily be the logo graphic for a global telecommunications
&gt; corporation.
&gt;
&gt; Then again, I'm not sure that any graphic we pick to represent
&gt; "peace/anti-war" will be acceptable to and truly representative of the
whole
&gt; Coalition.  The Vietnam-era peace sign is, well, Vietnam era, and doesn't
&gt; represent the new generation of activists.  The dove has a longer history,
&gt; but strikes me as a bit too "Pacifist" in image, as does the rifle with a
&gt; flower in its barrel, broken rifle, broken bomb, and a few others.  The
&gt; other predominant image from the Vietnam era, the clenched fist, of
course,
&gt; has the opposite connotation.  We've already been through the discussion
of
&gt; incorporating the symbolism of the American flag; some of us think "peace
is
&gt; patriotic" and others of us think U.S. nationalism is part of the problem.
&gt; And while the globe could well be something that none of us object to, it
&gt; really doesn't symbolize anything that distinguishes us from the other
side.
&gt;
&gt; "Madison area" is tough to symbolize graphically.  The most identifiable
&gt; symbols are architectural (the State Capitol), and we have nothing to do
&gt; with state government.  Doing something with the outline of the state and
&gt; highlighting the Madison area really doesn't work graphically.  And I
doubt
&gt; that anyone would recognize that a satellite view of the Four Lakes was
&gt; anything other than a Rorschach inkblot test.
&gt;
&gt; We could try to have a symbol for everyone, incorporating lots of
different
&gt; images in the logo, but the result would likely be an unwieldy mess.
&gt;
&gt; My personal opinion at this point is that we should either (1)come up with
a
&gt; graphic that is brand new -- no baggage from past movements or
ideologies --
&gt; (and I have no earthly idea what this would be); or (2) just go with a
&gt; "words-only" logo, using a very distinctive typestyle and arrangement of
the
&gt; words in our organization name.  If the typestyle and arrangement are
&gt; distinctive enough, IMO the logo will be recognizeable and identifiable,
and
&gt; would avoid the symbolism &amp; baggage problems inherent in selecting any
&gt; graphic image for a diverse coalition.
&gt;
&gt; X
&gt;
&gt; _______________________________________________
&gt; discuss@madpeace.org mailing list
&gt; http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-discuss


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http://lists.OpenSoftwareServices.com/mailman/listinfo/madpeace-discuss


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